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and it hits me oh my gosh this is that

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silent it comes right over our head it's

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standing in the clearing he turned over

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to my father and held his hand and he

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to the show this is Martin will assure

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host we have alejandro rojas coming up

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with the news in just a bit tonight we

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have two guests our one is the one and

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the contactees of yesteryear should be

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an interesting topic there's some really

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fringy stuff involved in that we'll see

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how that goes both of these fine people

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can be seen at contact in the desert

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joshua tree out in California and that's

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people like mr. Davis mr. Allen Mr

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rojas he's back from vacation rested and

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ready to go how are you alejandro i am

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doing well I've got a bit of a cold

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super busy had a lot to catch up on and

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of the trip actually during the

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traveling day so didn't ruin my trip at

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all which was amazing and hopefully

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people follow me on Facebook and Twitter

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you know you can find my stuff at open

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mindset TV it's a stroll ATR on Twitter

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and just alejandro on facebook because i

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that if people are interested in people

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it is time for me pick out the

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ten-dollar or more t-shirt thing so the

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a month drawing and just Alejandra I'm

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unrehearsed pick a number one through

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eight seven noon in it ah oh he's

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postage ondas Jacobson you get a t-shirt

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on to the new wait a minute I did

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something I want to say to you while you

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were sailing the Seas and everything all

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this alien slide thing went down I bet

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you were kind of like Jones them just a

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little bit for it I know that we're not

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going to cover it because I've already

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we've already talked about it what do

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days is poring over all the Roswell

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slide stuff and actually I wrote my

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story up yesterday I finally oh my gosh

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stuff to get caught up but it's all in

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my story I even listen to your podcast

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you know oh gosh you had the perfect

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people yet kirk collins Kevin Randall

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Phillip mantle all of whom are in my

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story I even reference a comment from

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Phillip in your podcast because those

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are the best people to have so really

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you did a great job getting those guys

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and really your listeners are pretty

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caught up but if you want anything else

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in fact how to recreate some of the D

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blurring you can go to my story and see

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that but you know what was funny luckily

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others have been getting me information

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checking my phone / stuff then I

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rest I had to let it all go and I did

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would play with a deblurring program to

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see if I could recreate the placard

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thing and also to get familiar with the

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program I wasn't able to recreate that

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the placard thing but then I found out

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you know it took the guy who was able to

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finally crack it hours and hours and

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hours but at least I knew the program

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them so I knew what he was talking about

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and I knew how to manipulate

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recreate the deblurring myself so yeah I

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was really curious but I knew the thing

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had been done so it was you know nice to

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hear that dawn and had apologized and

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kind of kind of given in and because I

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had been hearing from some of these guys

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about you know disappointed in the take

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i was at taking but you know my thing

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was it looks like a moment you guys need

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to tell us I don't understand why you

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think it looks like an alien so Adam do

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right before I left said hey if you have

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some questions I'll answer those so sure

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enough as soon as I got back I had some

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is shocking no I no I don't I don't want

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to talk too long in this but with okay

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heard of the show then you heard me say

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that I didn't think Jaime mulsanne was

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going to actually come out and admit it

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and I because he has such strong

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followers he could say whatever he wants

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and they'll follow him you know all the

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way and so far that is held true oh no

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one has held true and it's unfortunate

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and Robert solace wrote a big

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interesting thing on UFO chronicles

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that and I think they're valid all right

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I'm gonna have to check that out that

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sounds interesting but I do want to

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thank you too to mentioning that you

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know we had and I had done the interview

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with Adam do because he hasn't spoken

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with many people and not many people

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interviewed him and I think it's

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important that they should have sought

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to do so because he's really kind of

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getting demonized everybody's starting

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to say oh it's his fault that all this

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happened maybe it'll turn out that's the

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case we're not getting much information

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but thanks for mentioning that and kudos

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to you to at least trying to get him on

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your show oh yeah yeah it didn't hear

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you know he was actually communicating

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back and forth with Peggy who you know

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day before the you know what hit the fan

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and then he went into stealth mode and

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is probably under a rock somewhere or he

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should be anyway but anyway what

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happened yeah so

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that's kind of funny we just talked

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about 45 minutes of something we said we

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want to talk about it but that's all

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right so let's move on to this week in

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UFO news okay I'll try to be kind of

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quick but this is kind of cool now you

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in the New York Daily News this guy who

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was a pilot for Obama during the 2008

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campaign had written an article because

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he writes for New York Daily News

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occasionally about his own UFO sighting

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and saying kind of you know people are

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afraid to talk about UFOs but you know

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what I've seen one and I'm laying it all

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on the line and here's my story well Fox

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this is really kind of cool it was on

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fox and friends to show i never watch on

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a channel i never watch fox news but the

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interviewer was Clayton Morris and this

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is kind of interesting because they they

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were treating him very nice I thought

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maybe I oh they're going to make fun of

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him but they let this Andy dancing or

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talk it was kind of interesting because

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the Clayton Morris asked well why

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haven't you talked about this before and

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he said well there's no policy not to

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speak about UFOs at my airline or any

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other airlines I've worked at but it is

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kind of an unwritten rule because we

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don't want our careers to be affected

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and people are kind of rig ridiculed for

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believing in this thing but he did say

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as he wrote in the New York Daily News

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that I have talked to other pilots about

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UFOs and he says most pilots believe in

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UFOs which is pretty cool so he talked a

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little bit about his sighting and you

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can read that at length you know on our

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site or on an article essentially they

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saw this kind of disc-shaped object when

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they were flying from Kansas City to

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Iowa and then it turned into this large

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red orb object and it was really

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incredible to them but this is kind of

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cool so Morris odd the host must be into

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UFOs also because he

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he says that when he interviews pilots

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he often asks them about UFOs and if

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they've seen UFOs and many of them say

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that they have seen UFOs but they would

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never talk about it they keep it quiet

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and then Morris again asked dancing or

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you know why do you think that is in

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dancing or again said probably because

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they don't want to be brandished just

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being crazy and he noted that the

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government seems to discount UFO

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sightings and the media can be jerky

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about the whole thing too so why say

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anything so I thought it was a really

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incredible interview that one you know

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dancing girl would would stick by all

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this stuff and kind of share why pilots

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don't talk about it but to that Clayton

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Morris the hosts seem to really be into

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UFOs himself quite shocking well that's

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something now has been Sanger retired or

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is he still is he still active but

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that's a great question and I don't know

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that for sure offhand I can't think of

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it I so I'm not sure about that yeah you

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know it seems like he could be a little

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more comfortable coming out of the

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closet about it you know if he has

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indeed you know retired but if he's

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still active I'd be actually surprised

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him p an he was an Air Force One pilot

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right so they get their top notch yeah

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he's a top-notch you know you we've got

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pictures of him with Obama and flying

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the Obama plane and everything so yeah

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he's got to be a pretty serious pilot

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and so that's a really cool story now I

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wonder if this is trickled back to Obama

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himself or if it's just like he's just

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too overwhelmed with everything he's

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dealing with the even take notice of

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something like this it's a great

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question my sense even with all this

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latest stuff you know with Obama and

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everything speaking on Jimmy Kimmel my

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sense is just from watching this and i

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watch obama a lot i listen to him and

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I'm a news hand I listen to NPR all the

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time and everything I think Obama

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really likes to make jokes about the

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topic he's always joking about UFOs and

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everything so I don't think she has an

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inclination to really look into it

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seriously and there's no reason he

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should I mean politically it's a hot

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potato why do it he's busy with other

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stuff it's kind of like Paul Hellyer

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who's a defence minister of canada i've

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asked him about you know when he was

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defense minister did he ever look into

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UFOs and he said once in a while

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something we come across his desk and he

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would throw it away he wouldn't even

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give it a look because he's like I'm too

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busy with serious stuff to worry about

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paranormal phenomena so I think that's

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probably where Obama is on all of this

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so hopefully one day maybe once he's

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retired which isn't going to be too long

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from now he'll actually look at this

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stuff or maybe someone will ask him

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about about you know Danzinger and his

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sighting but I don't think he gives it

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too much thought at this point that's

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not what I think going back to Paul

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Hellyer now I'm kind of surprised that

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he takes the stand now when he you know

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when early on he obviously didn't have

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all that much interest for he was

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designed to busy yeah what would you

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guess well you know in these days I'm

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brutally honest about how i feel about

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this kind of stuff I he didn't I've

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asked him in details when he first came

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out about this stuff we've had him speak

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at the Congress I've had lunch with him

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and stuff I haven't in a while but he

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says yeah he wasn't interested in it

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before what got him interested is he

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read the day after roswell book which

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came out in the 90s and he thought that

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was interesting he says he asked a

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friend in who's a general in the US and

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if it was true and the general said that

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yeah he believed it was true and that's

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when he started getting into this then

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he started talking with UFO researchers

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and I know in particular a couple that

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he really liked and started listening to

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and now it's kind of like the Boyd

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Bushman thing or even the Edgar Mitchell

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thing they regurgitate all of this real

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far-fetched you know stuff that out

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there hearing from these UFO researchers

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or UFO enthusiasts and that's it's real

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similar to Boyd Bushman so in that

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unfortunately you know when he says a

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lot of what he's saying is his personal

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opinion but the only thing he says he

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knows for a fact is that he asked his

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friend who is a general who told me I

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that day after roswell stuff something

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in there is probably true well well I

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know we got we got to kind of make the

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other stories a little bit shorter so

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because we're we're running on a

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deadline tonight so what is the next

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story yeah I was going to talk about ELQ

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over this really quickly just a couple

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sightings MUFON sightings at Roger Marsh

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is posted on our site and one of them is

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in Indiana on May sixteenth there were

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quite a few people who saw these red

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orbs that were floating across the sky

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now they did say they didn't make any

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sound they were moving in one direction

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the witness said that a jet seemed to be

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flying towards the red orb and then it

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disappeared soon after another red orb

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disappeared moving in the same

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trajectory or appeared and it moved in

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the same trajectory and then disappeared

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as well it kind of sounds like Chinese

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lanterns on this one but who knows but

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this was a sighting in Indiana on May

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sixteenth but a bit more interesting as

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his sighting in Delaware and this was on

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mesa again and there's his family

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watching the sunset and they say that

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they saw this large rectangular object

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blocking out the Sun right at the

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horizon they even drove around got in

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there door so mystified by it got in a

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car drove around trying to get a better

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angle out what this thing was but they

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weren't able to get any more they tried

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to take a picture but it didn't really

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turn out and finally when the sunset

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they couldn't see this thing anymore but

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that's kind of a weird one it's a really

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strange sighting I haven't heard

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anything quite like this report really

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well and so for the listener you can go

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to our show notes and all these links

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will jump right over to these stories

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and Alejandro thanks so much and hey by

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the way you're going to be around next

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week I will be alright so we'll be

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talking to you next week then all right

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talk to you next week betty alright so

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everyone hang in there and we'll be

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right back after this quick music clip

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with Erich von Daniken all right so I am

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on the line to Switzerland with Erich

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von Daniken how are you hello hello

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hello I'm really sitting in the Sun it's

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great you're are you outside in the Sun

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yes i'm outside it's a wonderful day

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here it's like Americans would call an

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Indian summer old tall through its

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spring time ah Wow yeah we've had some

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strange weather yeah must have something

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to do with ancient aliens so anyway I

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just thought we talked a little bit

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beforehand and a bit i'm a big fan of

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yours and and i think the work you have

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done you know has really changed

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basically society I mean people are

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looking at your ideas in all different

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ways there's been a lot of TV shows and

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and I want to publicly thank you for the

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work you've done thank you very much i'm

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happy to be it is in the meantime I'm 80

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years old or young but my brain

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functions fantastically Wow well and

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you're coming up pretty soon here at

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contact in the desert you get excited

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about that I'm happy about it this is

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contacting the desert is in Joshua Tree

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I was there last year and it was

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absolutely great

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there were thousands of people sitting

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all around and later listening to my

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speeches having question and answers I

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was very happy that's why I'm happy to

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to come back this year great great now I

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want to ask you I'm sure you probably

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asked this a million times but how did

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you conceive of this whole idea in the

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very beginning and before you even get

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into that what what sparked your

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interest in looking at this this type of

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thing that you got into you see I was

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educated in Switzerland Switzerland as a

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strict Catholic and I was 46 years in a

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boarding school led by Jesuits and I

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must say I was a deep believer in God by

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the way I am still a believer in god i

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am still one of these persons who pray

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every day but my god when I was young

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had to have some minimum qualities for

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example God would never need a vehicle

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in which to move around from point A to

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point B God is everywhere or God is out

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of time he would not use to make

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experiments and then he has to wait but

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the result is he should know it in

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advance or of course of course God makes

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no mistakes etc now in my boarding

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school we had to make translations of

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parts of the Bible from Greek to Latin

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and from latitude German and there i

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read that my god which I adore the god

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of the engine Testament makes mistakes

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and he uses vehicle in which to move

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around from one point to the other so I

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simply had doubts in my own education

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and I wanted to know if other

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communities in antiquity have similar

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stories as we have them among the Jewish

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and Christian community and that was the

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stopping point I was nearly 16 years old

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oh wow and when did you where did you

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start like exploring and I know you've

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been everywhere looking into this when

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did you start actually writing and

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exploring you see from my family I came

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from the hotel business

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so after my hike school I first went

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into the hotel business I was in hotel

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schools I was a way that I was a

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barkeeper I was all kind of in the

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gastronomy when I wrote Chariots of the

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Gods I was the managing director of a

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first-class hotel in Switzerland but

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during all this time in my hotel

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business I was traveling and traveling

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as much as I could I don't know in how

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many countries and how many ruins I

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visited and of course how many books of

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religion and mythologies I read but

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there were hundreds and hundreds and

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finally I came to an idea why should the

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hotel manager not write the book and I

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did it and that was Chariots of the Gods

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and had you had any a literary of

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education as well only in high school

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you see I was only six years in high

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school but that was a very very

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brilliant hike school in Switzerland and

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a very expensive hike still at school

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too so there we learned to write and to

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speak and to read and to research I i

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see i see now i just want to i want to

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just do a quote that i had dr. Seth

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Shostak from SETI on my show and we sort

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of debated UFOs way back I don't know a

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year and a half ago and I mentioned

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about on the the cave walls to him and

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you know I said well how would you

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explain you know back in ancient times I

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said they may have been here forever and

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how would you explain on the cave walls

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the drawings and then he said well my

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you know my three-year-old used to draw

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you know things just like that you know

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cause of course of course he's right but

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that's not everything you see we have

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cave paintings all around the world and

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00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:04,970
the so-called gods are always

537
00:24:09,940 --> 00:24:07,610
represented with haloes around their

538
00:24:13,270 --> 00:24:09,950
head or with the Rays coming out of

539
00:24:15,340 --> 00:24:13,280
their head now in Stone Age time there

540
00:24:17,620 --> 00:24:15,350
were these people had no contact from

541
00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:17,630
one continent to another so why have

542
00:24:23,470 --> 00:24:19,690
they all come to a similar idea

543
00:24:25,930 --> 00:24:23,480
worldwide did in peru in australia

544
00:24:28,540 --> 00:24:25,940
in the Sahara Desert wherever the gods

545
00:24:30,460 --> 00:24:28,550
were always represented with haloes

546
00:24:32,650 --> 00:24:30,470
around their heads with helmets and

547
00:24:35,770 --> 00:24:32,660
things like that but that's only half of

548
00:24:39,130 --> 00:24:35,780
the answer of course I know that our

549
00:24:42,280 --> 00:24:39,140
first religions Stone Age people were

550
00:24:44,440 --> 00:24:42,290
natural religions you see our Stone Age

551
00:24:46,780 --> 00:24:44,450
ancestors they realized that the

552
00:24:48,880 --> 00:24:46,790
lightning is coming from heaven they

553
00:24:50,620 --> 00:24:48,890
hear the thundering later and they

554
00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:50,630
couldn't understand what the

555
00:24:56,050 --> 00:24:53,330
significance was or maybe they saw the

556
00:24:58,240 --> 00:24:56,060
moon on the sky and then it disappeared

557
00:25:00,370 --> 00:24:58,250
the next few days so they could not

558
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:00,380
understand all these things so the first

559
00:25:06,130 --> 00:25:02,930
religions definitely were natural

560
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:06,140
religions but then the beings from the

561
00:25:10,780 --> 00:25:08,570
sky descended and there is a big

562
00:25:13,600 --> 00:25:10,790
difference because this being from the

563
00:25:16,390 --> 00:25:13,610
skies they were teaching they gave

564
00:25:18,550 --> 00:25:16,400
information so they pitched our

565
00:25:20,950 --> 00:25:18,560
forefathers for example in astronomy

566
00:25:23,290 --> 00:25:20,960
they thought them how the calendar work

567
00:25:27,250 --> 00:25:23,300
that the early surrounding the Sun in

568
00:25:28,930 --> 00:25:27,260
clearance 65 days etc and that's the

569
00:25:31,750 --> 00:25:28,940
difference between a natural religion

570
00:25:34,420 --> 00:25:31,760
and the extraterrestrials natural

571
00:25:37,690 --> 00:25:34,430
religion does not teach in a scientific

572
00:25:40,120 --> 00:25:37,700
way but the others were speaking mm-hmm

573
00:25:42,310 --> 00:25:40,130
one of the things that have always

574
00:25:45,190 --> 00:25:42,320
puzzled me and wondered what you know

575
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:45,200
the scientific answers were too or I

576
00:25:51,910 --> 00:25:48,290
should say theories are are there are so

577
00:25:55,570 --> 00:25:51,920
many similar things that spring up in

578
00:25:57,820 --> 00:25:55,580
cultures not just not just like cave

579
00:26:00,430 --> 00:25:57,830
paintings but a lot of things worldwide

580
00:26:03,370 --> 00:26:00,440
that just do not make any sense being

581
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:03,380
less there was some type of travel at

582
00:26:09,670 --> 00:26:06,770
some ancient time for instance in in

583
00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:09,680
Mexico there's a Chinese influence that

584
00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:12,290
goes back to you know over 2,000 years

585
00:26:20,110 --> 00:26:15,410
and supposedly there was not supposed to

586
00:26:23,380 --> 00:26:20,120
be any travel of course not yep is he I

587
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:23,390
always use an example we all live in a

588
00:26:28,810 --> 00:26:25,850
Christian society and we have a great

589
00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:28,820
and wonderful Christian culture for

590
00:26:33,490 --> 00:26:30,530
example we have wonderful Christian

591
00:26:36,169 --> 00:26:33,500
churches cathedrals and we have them

592
00:26:39,269 --> 00:26:36,179
worldwide you find Christian

593
00:26:40,860 --> 00:26:39,279
cathedrals in South America you find

594
00:26:45,210 --> 00:26:40,870
them in in Europe you find them all over

595
00:26:48,690 --> 00:26:45,220
but none of the artists none of the

596
00:26:52,230 --> 00:26:48,700
painters was there when Jesus Christ was

597
00:26:54,870 --> 00:26:52,240
alive 2,000 years ago they all did their

598
00:26:57,269 --> 00:26:54,880
work because of tradition they learned

599
00:26:59,279 --> 00:26:57,279
it it happened something two thousand

600
00:27:00,980 --> 00:26:59,289
years ago the same thing happened with

601
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:00,990
extraterrestrials these

602
00:27:05,820 --> 00:27:03,250
extraterrestrials were here they'd be

603
00:27:08,700 --> 00:27:05,830
helped themselves as today's ethnologist

604
00:27:10,740 --> 00:27:08,710
would do they studied a few tribes they

605
00:27:12,539 --> 00:27:10,750
learned a few language they gave a few

606
00:27:15,360 --> 00:27:12,549
advisers and one day they disappeared

607
00:27:19,019 --> 00:27:15,370
with the promise in a far future we

608
00:27:21,870 --> 00:27:19,029
return again and now this message went

609
00:27:24,899 --> 00:27:21,880
throughout the world like the Christian

610
00:27:28,289 --> 00:27:24,909
message at now the artists in Central

611
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:28,299
America in Mexico in South America they

612
00:27:34,649 --> 00:27:31,690
start to chisel to make sculptors to

613
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:34,659
make paintings all because of traditions

614
00:27:40,110 --> 00:27:37,690
they were never I witness when the

615
00:27:42,930 --> 00:27:40,120
extraterrestrials were here comparable

616
00:27:45,810 --> 00:27:42,940
to Christianity the painters and artists

617
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:45,820
were not I witness in a time of the lead

618
00:27:52,680 --> 00:27:48,730
of the life of Jesus Christ right right

619
00:27:55,529 --> 00:27:52,690
now I want to go back to you and anyone

620
00:27:58,620 --> 00:27:55,539
at any time that anyone comes up with

621
00:28:02,009 --> 00:27:58,630
such a revolutionary idea and that

622
00:28:04,379 --> 00:28:02,019
someone hasn't come up with before faces

623
00:28:07,470 --> 00:28:04,389
a lot of turmoil you know you go back in

624
00:28:10,529 --> 00:28:07,480
time Galileo and I'm saying you know he

625
00:28:12,419 --> 00:28:10,539
was like saying the for instance you

626
00:28:16,500 --> 00:28:12,429
earth goes around the Sun that type of

627
00:28:19,139 --> 00:28:16,510
thing so when you came out with this and

628
00:28:21,990 --> 00:28:19,149
there was the publicity started the book

629
00:28:23,970 --> 00:28:22,000
started you know just the sales on the

630
00:28:28,289 --> 00:28:23,980
book just started soaring and all that

631
00:28:31,830 --> 00:28:28,299
what type of turmoil if any did you did

632
00:28:35,340 --> 00:28:31,840
you go through well in the beginning I

633
00:28:38,129 --> 00:28:35,350
was crashed down more or less by the

634
00:28:40,919 --> 00:28:38,139
whole scientific community first of all

635
00:28:43,409 --> 00:28:40,929
I was not a scientist when i wrote

636
00:28:46,049 --> 00:28:43,419
Chariots of the Gods I was a simply

637
00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:46,059
managing director of a first-class hotel

638
00:28:49,830 --> 00:28:49,090
so the critic said how can a managing

639
00:28:51,990 --> 00:28:49,840
director of

640
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:52,000
they write such a book what are his

641
00:28:58,669 --> 00:28:54,970
qualities etcetera and then of course I

642
00:29:02,130 --> 00:28:58,679
was attacked for a lot of reasonable

643
00:29:04,500 --> 00:29:02,140
grounds for example an astronomer would

644
00:29:07,830 --> 00:29:04,510
say well wishes from outer space that

645
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:07,840
would mean they had to reach somehow the

646
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:10,480
light ears the distances but this is not

647
00:29:15,840 --> 00:29:13,450
possible nobody can reach the speed of

648
00:29:19,260 --> 00:29:15,850
light so Eric from Daniken must be wrong

649
00:29:21,779 --> 00:29:19,270
or in Chariots of the Gods I compared

650
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:21,789
these teachers from heaven with humans

651
00:29:27,029 --> 00:29:24,610
they had the form of humans now the

652
00:29:29,700 --> 00:29:27,039
critics say this is a rubbish I mean

653
00:29:32,430 --> 00:29:29,710
evolution on another solar system would

654
00:29:35,310 --> 00:29:32,440
go in complete different way then in our

655
00:29:38,279 --> 00:29:35,320
solar system so if extraterrestrials

656
00:29:41,310 --> 00:29:38,289
would exist David might maybe look like

657
00:29:45,539 --> 00:29:41,320
flying elephants or whatever but never

658
00:29:48,690 --> 00:29:45,549
like you ins etc etc so the critics had

659
00:29:51,240 --> 00:29:48,700
good reasons to critic myself in the

660
00:29:54,060 --> 00:29:51,250
meantime we know that it will be

661
00:29:55,620 --> 00:29:54,070
possible to reach the spear not the

662
00:29:57,870 --> 00:29:55,630
speed of light but to reach between the

663
00:30:00,139 --> 00:29:57,880
stars to make life space travel between

664
00:30:02,880 --> 00:30:00,149
the stuff we know for what reason

665
00:30:04,500 --> 00:30:02,890
extraterrestrials might well look

666
00:30:08,100 --> 00:30:04,510
similar to us there is a good reason for

667
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:08,110
it etc so the situation has changed I

668
00:30:13,769 --> 00:30:10,690
mean Chariots of the Gods is nearly 45

669
00:30:16,740 --> 00:30:13,779
years old so really the situation has

670
00:30:19,110 --> 00:30:16,750
changed i would rather say has changed

671
00:30:22,470 --> 00:30:19,120
little in my favor we see it differently

672
00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:22,480
now i believe so and i've heard that

673
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:25,090
argument is well like I think I heard a

674
00:30:29,909 --> 00:30:27,730
scientist said say something like well

675
00:30:32,730 --> 00:30:29,919
they you know what stops them from

676
00:30:34,860 --> 00:30:32,740
having you know 14 eyes or something

677
00:30:38,070 --> 00:30:34,870
like that but you know that the the

678
00:30:40,730 --> 00:30:38,080
binocular view is you know the best it's

679
00:30:43,909 --> 00:30:40,740
all if it is you know based on evolution

680
00:30:48,149 --> 00:30:43,919
everything about us the opposing thumbs

681
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:48,159
you name it it's all it's all evolution

682
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:51,610
in just so i think it's it's pretty

683
00:30:56,519 --> 00:30:53,770
close-minded to think that it's not

684
00:31:00,419 --> 00:30:56,529
possible that something would look like

685
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:00,429
us i mean apes evolved as well what do

686
00:31:06,910 --> 00:31:04,010
you see there was a swedish nobel prize

687
00:31:11,050 --> 00:31:06,920
winner that's 70 years ago his name was

688
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:11,060
Sam aunty Iranian and he in his time

689
00:31:15,570 --> 00:31:13,370
already came up with the theory which is

690
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:15,580
known in the scientific community as

691
00:31:23,260 --> 00:31:20,570
panspermia panspermia says at some place

692
00:31:25,930 --> 00:31:23,270
in ours in our galaxy in our Milky Way

693
00:31:28,570 --> 00:31:25,940
there was the first form of life now you

694
00:31:31,900 --> 00:31:28,580
could stop the heart stopped how did the

695
00:31:35,350 --> 00:31:31,910
first form of life started we have no

696
00:31:38,050 --> 00:31:35,360
answer you see in religion in philosophy

697
00:31:40,810 --> 00:31:38,060
too we say in the beginning with God and

698
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:40,820
God was the world and in astronomy or

699
00:31:46,330 --> 00:31:42,770
astrophysics we say in the beginning

700
00:31:48,940 --> 00:31:46,340
there was the the big bang but in

701
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:48,950
religion we are stuck what started God

702
00:31:54,430 --> 00:31:51,440
what is God come from in astronomy we

703
00:31:58,270 --> 00:31:54,440
say ok and what started the big bang job

704
00:32:00,850 --> 00:31:58,280
the theory of panspermia says it started

705
00:32:04,210 --> 00:32:00,860
somewhere at the first intelligent form

706
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:04,220
of life had a certain interest to spread

707
00:32:11,620 --> 00:32:07,970
out their own form of lives and now they

708
00:32:14,100 --> 00:32:11,630
do it we buy just infecting infecting a

709
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:14,110
section of the Milky Way with their own

710
00:32:20,380 --> 00:32:18,170
form of life which is possible spread

711
00:32:22,270 --> 00:32:20,390
out their own form of life by the way

712
00:32:24,490 --> 00:32:22,280
that does not contradict evolution we

713
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:24,500
are still produce products of evolution

714
00:32:31,020 --> 00:32:27,650
but in a way we are offsprings of

715
00:32:34,510 --> 00:32:31,030
another solar system and this again is

716
00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:34,520
handed down in every big religion even

717
00:32:39,700 --> 00:32:36,770
in our Christian religion that says and

718
00:32:43,180 --> 00:32:39,710
God created humans according their own

719
00:32:44,620 --> 00:32:43,190
image you know I said this before in a

720
00:32:46,810 --> 00:32:44,630
couple of podcasts and it's a little

721
00:32:50,290 --> 00:32:46,820
redundant for my regular listeners but

722
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:50,300
when I was in high school I came up with

723
00:32:56,320 --> 00:32:52,850
this i wrote for english and an essay

724
00:32:57,610 --> 00:32:56,330
basically that I had an answer for the

725
00:32:59,050 --> 00:32:57,620
reason that there were different races

726
00:33:01,720 --> 00:32:59,060
throughout the world and that we were

727
00:33:02,980 --> 00:33:01,730
seated here from different planets you

728
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:02,990
know it's just kind of sort of like a

729
00:33:09,390 --> 00:33:06,290
fictional writing but it was actually

730
00:33:12,190 --> 00:33:09,400
received the best of anything I ever did

731
00:33:15,130 --> 00:33:12,200
hahaha I've had the clap you do happy to

732
00:33:18,620 --> 00:33:15,140
you this yeah and

733
00:33:20,750 --> 00:33:18,630
but i do remember your book everywhere

734
00:33:22,940 --> 00:33:20,760
seeing your book everywhere and like I

735
00:33:25,610 --> 00:33:22,950
had friends reading it and and you know

736
00:33:27,470 --> 00:33:25,620
it really just that the title alone I

737
00:33:29,510 --> 00:33:27,480
mean I don't know how you chose that

738
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:29,520
title but it's such an intriguing title

739
00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:33,050
in English and did you have a hard time

740
00:33:40,610 --> 00:33:37,320
getting the book published and bashed oh

741
00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:40,620
yes you see at that time I finished the

742
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:44,610
manuscript in 1966 and at that time we

743
00:33:51,350 --> 00:33:49,050
did not had our two days copy technology

744
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:51,360
so what I wanted to make a photocopy of

745
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:54,810
a page I had to photocopy each page on

746
00:34:01,700 --> 00:33:57,930
its own it was not just a 200 page so i

747
00:34:04,510 --> 00:34:01,710
copied my manuscript 20 times and i sent

748
00:34:07,370 --> 00:34:04,520
20 copies of it to 20 different

749
00:34:09,470 --> 00:34:07,380
publishers in the german world and all

750
00:34:11,720 --> 00:34:09,480
the 20 publishers centered the

751
00:34:14,570 --> 00:34:11,730
manuscript back and they said no it's

752
00:34:16,820 --> 00:34:14,580
not good it's too speculative it's not

753
00:34:19,190 --> 00:34:16,830
written in a professional way or it is

754
00:34:22,310 --> 00:34:19,200
not part of our program so I was a

755
00:34:24,830 --> 00:34:22,320
absolutely crashed down before the book

756
00:34:27,530 --> 00:34:24,840
was on the market but as I said before I

757
00:34:30,410 --> 00:34:27,540
was a managing director of a hotel and

758
00:34:32,570 --> 00:34:30,420
in this hotel every winter we had a

759
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:32,580
brilliant guessed he was the chief

760
00:34:37,370 --> 00:34:35,010
editor of a scientific newspaper in

761
00:34:40,100 --> 00:34:37,380
Germany and he said when even into me

762
00:34:42,380 --> 00:34:40,110
Eric why don't you write a book and I

763
00:34:44,690 --> 00:34:42,390
said listen I have a manuscript but I

764
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:44,700
cannot find a publisher and then he said

765
00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:47,010
well I know a publisher I will phone him

766
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:49,530
tomorrow and I remember if it would be

767
00:34:55,190 --> 00:34:52,290
yesterday he said to someone on the for

768
00:34:57,050 --> 00:34:55,200
which I didn't know listened Aaron I'm

769
00:34:59,330 --> 00:34:57,060
standing here in Switzerland before a

770
00:35:02,060 --> 00:34:59,340
young man and this man has written a

771
00:35:04,730 --> 00:35:02,070
complete crazy book but the human the

772
00:35:07,460 --> 00:35:04,740
man is not crazy you should maybe listen

773
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:07,470
to him and that's how it started so

774
00:35:12,830 --> 00:35:09,090
chariots of the gods came on the market

775
00:35:15,230 --> 00:35:12,840
in 1968 well I bet I bet all those

776
00:35:17,810 --> 00:35:15,240
publishers or were kicking themselves on

777
00:35:20,720 --> 00:35:17,820
the butt for that yeah yeah really yeah

778
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:20,730
yep you know I'm uh the the what I do

779
00:35:25,550 --> 00:35:23,010
for real work is I'm in the fine arts

780
00:35:28,810 --> 00:35:25,560
and antiques and I have dealt a lot of

781
00:35:32,690 --> 00:35:28,820
time at auction with a pre-columbian

782
00:35:35,330 --> 00:35:32,700
pieces of pottery and figures and I got

783
00:35:37,460 --> 00:35:35,340
to tell you you know when I was

784
00:35:40,700 --> 00:35:37,470
cataloging these pieces over the many

785
00:35:43,430 --> 00:35:40,710
years they're the strangest some of the

786
00:35:47,780 --> 00:35:43,440
figures are the strangest-looking thinks

787
00:35:49,970 --> 00:35:47,790
I mean so alien like and I just pulled

788
00:35:52,220 --> 00:35:49,980
up your website and I saw you have some

789
00:35:54,650 --> 00:35:52,230
type of figure down right by your email

790
00:36:00,020 --> 00:35:54,660
address which is just reminding me of

791
00:36:02,210 --> 00:36:00,030
that okay and so have you are you this

792
00:36:04,850 --> 00:36:02,220
is just a little op shoot of this but

793
00:36:06,410 --> 00:36:04,860
are you also a collector of things that

794
00:36:10,100 --> 00:36:06,420
you find that are intriguing that are

795
00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:10,110
ancient uh no I don't collect material I

796
00:36:15,230 --> 00:36:13,290
don't collect any original I never stole

797
00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:15,240
some original from another country of

798
00:36:20,450 --> 00:36:17,970
course I have copies of many of the

799
00:36:23,570 --> 00:36:20,460
artifacts and i must say i have the

800
00:36:27,410 --> 00:36:23,580
biggest archive concerning pictures i

801
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:27,420
have about 200,000 pictures and in the

802
00:36:32,780 --> 00:36:29,930
meantime they are all on the computer

803
00:36:35,450 --> 00:36:32,790
the original still exists in form of

804
00:36:37,609 --> 00:36:35,460
slides but 200,000 and by the way in

805
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:37,619
Joshua Tree you know contact in the

806
00:36:42,790 --> 00:36:39,930
desert I have at least three speeches

807
00:36:44,870 --> 00:36:42,800
and workshops and I will well show you

808
00:36:47,660 --> 00:36:44,880
pictures which you have never seen

809
00:36:50,420 --> 00:36:47,670
before from all over the world pictures

810
00:36:52,910 --> 00:36:50,430
which should not exist in archaeology

811
00:36:55,550 --> 00:36:52,920
for example you're talking about

812
00:36:58,160 --> 00:36:55,560
columbia in in South America is a

813
00:37:01,430 --> 00:36:58,170
country called Ecuador in Ecuador is a

814
00:37:04,370 --> 00:37:01,440
place city called cuenta and there some

815
00:37:07,070 --> 00:37:04,380
25 years ago was an old priest living

816
00:37:09,470 --> 00:37:07,080
his name is father Crespi's we know each

817
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:09,480
other very good and father crespi had an

818
00:37:15,740 --> 00:37:12,690
incredible collections of objects of art

819
00:37:18,920 --> 00:37:15,750
all kind which the indians make to him

820
00:37:21,349 --> 00:37:18,930
because he helped them in every way also

821
00:37:24,410 --> 00:37:21,359
against the government sometimes so i

822
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:24,420
photographed at least 500 incredible

823
00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:27,330
objects you see pyramid and pyramids

824
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:29,490
which have a writing on it but this

825
00:37:33,980 --> 00:37:31,410
writing has not been deciphered by

826
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:33,990
nobody I published some of these books

827
00:37:38,660 --> 00:37:35,850
in a picture book and from the

828
00:37:41,330 --> 00:37:38,670
archaeological site there is no answer

829
00:37:42,830 --> 00:37:41,340
we don't know what it is so they say it

830
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:42,840
must be falsification

831
00:37:48,890 --> 00:37:45,660
but they are not falsification they are

832
00:37:51,980 --> 00:37:48,900
real old well the pictures and the

833
00:37:54,020 --> 00:37:51,990
arguments and the the motifs on it is

834
00:37:59,810 --> 00:37:54,030
thousands of years old and nobody

835
00:38:02,240 --> 00:37:59,820
understands it I'm amazing now getting

836
00:38:04,250 --> 00:38:02,250
up talking about the pyramids a little

837
00:38:06,800 --> 00:38:04,260
bit you know I mean what do you think is

838
00:38:09,350 --> 00:38:06,810
more intriguing the pyramids or the

839
00:38:13,070 --> 00:38:09,360
Sphinx and another thing about that is

840
00:38:16,850 --> 00:38:13,080
these things are you can't really for my

841
00:38:19,190 --> 00:38:16,860
own you can't really date stone I mean

842
00:38:21,440 --> 00:38:19,200
stone is now no you cannot directly

843
00:38:23,180 --> 00:38:21,450
they'd stolen soonest they are broken

844
00:38:26,720 --> 00:38:23,190
off the rock you cannot date them

845
00:38:29,780 --> 00:38:26,730
anymore but you see the pyramid it's a

846
00:38:32,300 --> 00:38:29,790
long long story according to a geologist

847
00:38:35,750 --> 00:38:32,310
the great pyramid was constructed by

848
00:38:39,770 --> 00:38:35,760
cubes chiapas FL ower in this the Fourth

849
00:38:42,050 --> 00:38:39,780
Dynasty roughly 2500 BC and generally

850
00:38:45,050 --> 00:38:42,060
you can say why should he not have made

851
00:38:48,350 --> 00:38:45,060
this building well these were more or

852
00:38:51,230 --> 00:38:48,360
less Stone Age people not directly they

853
00:38:53,420 --> 00:38:51,240
were in the Iron Age and so on but the

854
00:38:57,620 --> 00:38:53,430
problem with the Great Pyramid is not

855
00:39:00,550 --> 00:38:57,630
the construction itself each planning in

856
00:39:03,140 --> 00:39:00,560
the meantime because of electrical

857
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:03,150
electronical measurement we have found

858
00:39:09,740 --> 00:39:06,690
inside the pyramid different new shafts

859
00:39:13,010 --> 00:39:09,750
and rooms they are small these shafts

860
00:39:15,740 --> 00:39:13,020
and rooms only robots can climb in there

861
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:15,750
by the way I show some of these new

862
00:39:22,130 --> 00:39:18,570
shafts in my speech in Joshua Tree now

863
00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:22,140
as more shafts and room you have inside

864
00:39:26,720 --> 00:39:23,970
the pyramid and under the pyramid as

865
00:39:30,380 --> 00:39:26,730
more complicated becomes the planning

866
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:30,390
the planning means engineering work you

867
00:39:35,930 --> 00:39:32,970
have to plan everything before you stop

868
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:35,940
start cutting rocks and moving rocks

869
00:39:41,630 --> 00:39:38,610
about and the planning does not fit in

870
00:39:44,060 --> 00:39:41,640
caleb's time that they don't have this

871
00:39:46,730 --> 00:39:44,070
engineering knowledge at that time now

872
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:46,740
again we have ancient traditions for

873
00:39:53,030 --> 00:39:49,650
example there are Arabian Cranitch

874
00:39:55,640 --> 00:39:53,040
Ibrahim abdul al makris is one of them

875
00:39:56,600 --> 00:39:55,650
and he wrote the great pyramid was

876
00:39:59,480 --> 00:39:56,610
constructed

877
00:40:02,120 --> 00:39:59,490
before the Great Flood and it was made

878
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:02,130
by a pharaoh with the name of salaried

879
00:40:09,230 --> 00:40:05,490
and he says salaried is the same figure

880
00:40:12,500 --> 00:40:09,240
which the Hebrew community names in oak

881
00:40:15,950 --> 00:40:12,510
now Enoch again is one of my friend he

882
00:40:17,660 --> 00:40:15,960
was teach by the guardians of the sky he

883
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:17,670
was up there he learned their language

884
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:20,850
and finally he disappeared with them so

885
00:40:26,210 --> 00:40:23,820
to me it makes sense Enoch was the seven

886
00:40:29,510 --> 00:40:26,220
patria before the Great Flood a

887
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:29,520
brilliant figure he was shot in

888
00:40:36,170 --> 00:40:34,560
scientist in scientific learning by the

889
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:36,180
way I'm sorry my mother languages German

890
00:40:41,720 --> 00:40:38,130
i already have to translate a little so

891
00:40:44,450 --> 00:40:41,730
and he wrote 300 books and before you

892
00:40:46,940 --> 00:40:44,460
know cleft our planet he gave these

893
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:46,950
thing on the books to his son his son

894
00:40:52,220 --> 00:40:49,410
was Methuselah the one from the Bible

895
00:40:56,810 --> 00:40:52,230
and he gave it them with the words my

896
00:40:59,900 --> 00:40:56,820
son keep peace books for mankind after

897
00:41:02,810 --> 00:40:59,910
the Great Flood so it was done before

898
00:41:06,620 --> 00:41:02,820
the Great Flood other abyan historian

899
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:06,630
said wow well on all your travels I was

900
00:41:11,210 --> 00:41:08,610
looking through some of your pictures

901
00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:11,220
that you have on your website and all

902
00:41:17,860 --> 00:41:12,690
your travels what do you think is the

903
00:41:20,630 --> 00:41:17,870
most unique man-made structure that's

904
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:20,640
angel for me it's still the stone of

905
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:24,330
palenque you see Palenque is a place in

906
00:41:30,890 --> 00:41:28,170
Mexico and Palenque today's tourist

907
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:30,900
place an archeological place there is a

908
00:41:37,550 --> 00:41:33,090
pyramid which is called the temple of

909
00:41:40,790 --> 00:41:37,560
inscription at in 1952 professor dr.

910
00:41:43,940 --> 00:41:40,800
Ruth's discovered under the temple of

911
00:41:47,440 --> 00:41:43,950
inscription a secret tomb the tomb was

912
00:41:52,190 --> 00:41:47,450
covered with the big stone I mean big

913
00:41:54,590 --> 00:41:52,200
3.8 meters long 2.2 meters large that's

914
00:41:57,620 --> 00:41:54,600
quite the block one block one mana light

915
00:42:00,560 --> 00:41:57,630
and under stone block was an incredible

916
00:42:03,290 --> 00:42:00,570
kisling you see something like a frame

917
00:42:06,470 --> 00:42:03,300
and in this frame is hitting a human

918
00:42:09,019 --> 00:42:06,480
being he's bending forward almost like a

919
00:42:10,819 --> 00:42:09,029
motor racing cyclist he

920
00:42:13,099 --> 00:42:10,829
his two hands to manipulate some

921
00:42:16,099 --> 00:42:13,109
controls he's definitely sitting on a

922
00:42:19,309 --> 00:42:16,109
chair and outside the frame you see

923
00:42:21,380 --> 00:42:19,319
something like a linking slam now this

924
00:42:23,509 --> 00:42:21,390
stone has a right thing around it and

925
00:42:27,019 --> 00:42:23,519
some of this writing can be translated

926
00:42:30,559 --> 00:42:27,029
so we know for sure the figure which is

927
00:42:33,229 --> 00:42:30,569
represented in this stone is Pakal Patel

928
00:42:36,140 --> 00:42:33,239
was the second last ruler of the Maya

929
00:42:40,969 --> 00:42:36,150
city of Palenque but in the beginning in

930
00:42:43,189 --> 00:42:40,979
1952 until about two years from now all

931
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:43,199
the archaeological explorations was

932
00:42:49,999 --> 00:42:47,130
Puckle is sitting in the open mouth of a

933
00:42:53,929 --> 00:42:50,009
mythological monster he's falling into

934
00:42:56,299 --> 00:42:53,939
the air earth and out of his chest you

935
00:42:59,209 --> 00:42:56,309
see some something like at the cross of

936
00:43:01,069 --> 00:42:59,219
life or the tree of life but in the

937
00:43:03,859 --> 00:43:01,079
meantime and this is just one and a half

938
00:43:06,499 --> 00:43:03,869
years ago the scientific translation has

939
00:43:09,169 --> 00:43:06,509
changed completely there are two

940
00:43:12,109 --> 00:43:09,179
professors American professors from the

941
00:43:14,959 --> 00:43:12,119
University of Texas their name is Stuart

942
00:43:17,089 --> 00:43:14,969
and steward it's the father and the Son

943
00:43:19,969 --> 00:43:17,099
and they are the best translators

944
00:43:22,880 --> 00:43:19,979
definitely in Maya language and now the

945
00:43:25,399 --> 00:43:22,890
new translation they say yes it is

946
00:43:28,309 --> 00:43:25,409
Puckle the second-last rover but he's

947
00:43:31,909 --> 00:43:28,319
not falling into the earth he's

948
00:43:34,370 --> 00:43:31,919
traveling out from our earth he out in

949
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:34,380
the universe and every little thing or

950
00:43:40,279 --> 00:43:37,890
this famous stone block can be seen it

951
00:43:43,099 --> 00:43:40,289
has to do something with the universe

952
00:43:45,769 --> 00:43:43,109
with the cosmos so that the situation

953
00:43:48,319 --> 00:43:45,779
has changed you asked me for the best

954
00:43:50,829 --> 00:43:48,329
looking place look at this stone from

955
00:43:53,749 --> 00:43:50,839
Palenque and you are really scatterers

956
00:43:56,439 --> 00:43:53,759
yes I just pulled that up well I pulled

957
00:43:58,759 --> 00:43:56,449
up the structure overall pretty amazing

958
00:44:01,519 --> 00:43:58,769
you know the thing that always puzzles

959
00:44:03,649 --> 00:44:01,529
me is how with what they had to work

960
00:44:06,739 --> 00:44:03,659
with the tools they had to work with how

961
00:44:08,569 --> 00:44:06,749
could they create such incredible you

962
00:44:12,199 --> 00:44:08,579
know works of art it just it always

963
00:44:14,449 --> 00:44:12,209
puzzles me but no we always a lot of

964
00:44:17,209 --> 00:44:14,459
times in our society we always think

965
00:44:20,419 --> 00:44:17,219
that people were not as smart as we are

966
00:44:22,010 --> 00:44:20,429
today and all that and I can argue that

967
00:44:23,630 --> 00:44:22,020
we're probably not anyway

968
00:44:29,300 --> 00:44:23,640
you're as smart as a lot of most of them

969
00:44:32,180 --> 00:44:29,310
were but let me just think here I I will

970
00:44:33,770 --> 00:44:32,190
edit this by the way but so far so far

971
00:44:36,950 --> 00:44:33,780
there's no reason to edit it's been

972
00:44:38,480 --> 00:44:36,960
going it's been going well so but I'm

973
00:44:41,860 --> 00:44:38,490
just trying to think of where did when I

974
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:41,870
attempt you your point of view you see

975
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:45,230
what puzzles me all the time is that

976
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:48,690
some of the stone blocks and some of the

977
00:44:55,220 --> 00:44:51,410
Chi ceilings which are very very old

978
00:44:58,430 --> 00:44:55,230
have used more technology than the

979
00:45:01,550 --> 00:44:58,440
latest stones for example in Egypt on

980
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:01,560
the Nile is a place called Abydos and in

981
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:03,930
Abydos there is a temple from from a

982
00:45:09,860 --> 00:45:06,330
fellow which we know from the 13th

983
00:45:11,810 --> 00:45:09,870
century now we need this temple of the

984
00:45:14,060 --> 00:45:11,820
follow his name is set us the first

985
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:14,070
there is another structure and the

986
00:45:19,160 --> 00:45:17,010
structure is much Tryg antic and bigger

987
00:45:23,270 --> 00:45:19,170
than the temple of safety the first

988
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:23,280
which means the oldest monuments are

989
00:45:29,210 --> 00:45:27,330
more precise concerning technology than

990
00:45:31,970 --> 00:45:29,220
the lathe temple it should be

991
00:45:34,310 --> 00:45:31,980
differently because in evolution you

992
00:45:36,770 --> 00:45:34,320
learn with little things you learn to

993
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:36,780
move small stones little stores and then

994
00:45:41,630 --> 00:45:39,330
you learn how much to transport bigger

995
00:45:44,300 --> 00:45:41,640
stones how to cut them to chisel them

996
00:45:47,300 --> 00:45:44,310
how to transport them etc so evolution

997
00:45:49,070 --> 00:45:47,310
in technology starts small and then you

998
00:45:51,710 --> 00:45:49,080
become smarter and smarter and more

999
00:45:53,810 --> 00:45:51,720
intelligent but in Abydos this is one of

1000
00:45:57,020 --> 00:45:53,820
the example what is all on the other

1001
00:45:58,940 --> 00:45:57,030
side the most perfect technology is the

1002
00:46:03,230 --> 00:45:58,950
oldest one and we have no explanation

1003
00:46:06,470 --> 00:46:03,240
for it right right speaking of

1004
00:46:09,230 --> 00:46:06,480
technology if you think about it the way

1005
00:46:13,070 --> 00:46:09,240
that we are always developing technology

1006
00:46:16,990 --> 00:46:13,080
as far as like penetrating radar and

1007
00:46:20,150 --> 00:46:17,000
penetrating through different waves

1008
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:20,160
objects and I think that more and more

1009
00:46:25,610 --> 00:46:23,130
of these ancient places will be found

1010
00:46:29,570 --> 00:46:25,620
you know deeply buried because over time

1011
00:46:31,910 --> 00:46:29,580
you know everything gets buried slow you

1012
00:46:35,420 --> 00:46:31,920
know and and undiscovered and forgotten

1013
00:46:35,940 --> 00:46:35,430
about and just just wanted to get your

1014
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:35,950
opinion

1015
00:46:41,339 --> 00:46:38,290
this what do you think mainstream

1016
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:41,349
science would do if they discovered more

1017
00:46:46,770 --> 00:46:43,810
along the lines of what your theory was

1018
00:46:49,230 --> 00:46:46,780
or even that the human race was a lot

1019
00:46:50,790 --> 00:46:49,240
older than you know the two million

1020
00:46:54,410 --> 00:46:50,800
years or whatever it is they're

1021
00:46:57,650 --> 00:46:54,420
suggesting it is well in the beginning

1022
00:46:59,760 --> 00:46:57,660
we always have to be reasonable and

1023
00:47:03,060 --> 00:46:59,770
mainstream scientists will in the

1024
00:47:06,089 --> 00:47:03,070
beginning be against it but science is

1025
00:47:09,030 --> 00:47:06,099
an open society that normally those

1026
00:47:11,700 --> 00:47:09,040
scientists I know a brilliant man you

1027
00:47:14,069 --> 00:47:11,710
know and they learn and they accept when

1028
00:47:16,650 --> 00:47:14,079
you can prove a situation so the

1029
00:47:18,900 --> 00:47:16,660
situation will change because of our

1030
00:47:21,390 --> 00:47:18,910
technology just let me give you two

1031
00:47:24,690 --> 00:47:21,400
little example everybody is talking

1032
00:47:26,790 --> 00:47:24,700
about the changing of Klima now I don't

1033
00:47:29,790 --> 00:47:26,800
doubt doubt the changing of Klima but

1034
00:47:32,940 --> 00:47:29,800
what do we do because now the eyes for

1035
00:47:36,390 --> 00:47:32,950
example on the Antarctic is melting what

1036
00:47:39,030 --> 00:47:36,400
do we do when suddenly out of the ice a

1037
00:47:41,339 --> 00:47:39,040
building appears we can do nothing

1038
00:47:43,319 --> 00:47:41,349
against it we know that this building

1039
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:43,329
must be thousands and thousands of years

1040
00:47:49,319 --> 00:47:46,690
old otherwise it would not be covered by

1041
00:47:51,390 --> 00:47:49,329
the eyes now the ice melts and the

1042
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:51,400
building comes out so what can the

1043
00:47:56,579 --> 00:47:53,290
scientific community do against it

1044
00:48:00,000 --> 00:47:56,589
nothing bored in South America in Peru

1045
00:48:03,359 --> 00:48:00,010
we have this very well-known plane of

1046
00:48:06,359 --> 00:48:03,369
Nazca not skies a desert and when you

1047
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:06,369
fly over it you see gigantic figures in

1048
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:08,530
the desert then you see gigantic lines

1049
00:48:14,849 --> 00:48:12,130
looking like air strips etc etc now we

1050
00:48:18,930 --> 00:48:14,859
always looked at Nazca a something

1051
00:48:21,990 --> 00:48:18,940
unique Nazca only happens in Peru but

1052
00:48:24,960 --> 00:48:22,000
thanks to technology thanks to satellite

1053
00:48:27,390 --> 00:48:24,970
then to satellite photographs we know in

1054
00:48:30,380 --> 00:48:27,400
the meantime that we have at least in

1055
00:48:33,990 --> 00:48:30,390
five different places on our planet

1056
00:48:36,960 --> 00:48:34,000
something similar to Nazca we find it in

1057
00:48:40,589 --> 00:48:36,970
Saudi Arabia we find it in jordania we

1058
00:48:43,470 --> 00:48:40,599
find it in in Russia etc all by

1059
00:48:46,859 --> 00:48:43,480
satellites so suddenly we have to ask

1060
00:48:49,650 --> 00:48:46,869
hey nuts guys not unique why have our

1061
00:48:52,650 --> 00:48:49,660
forefathers thousands of years ago

1062
00:48:55,049 --> 00:48:52,660
on different continents made gigantic

1063
00:48:58,020 --> 00:48:55,059
carvings in the ground lines and

1064
00:49:00,510 --> 00:48:58,030
pictures which are so big that you can

1065
00:49:02,430 --> 00:49:00,520
overlook the boundary from the air why

1066
00:49:05,130 --> 00:49:02,440
have they done this on different

1067
00:49:07,529 --> 00:49:05,140
countries now Erich von Daniken comes

1068
00:49:10,500 --> 00:49:07,539
and says I'm sorry we have old writings

1069
00:49:13,589 --> 00:49:10,510
we have literature on which these gods

1070
00:49:15,420 --> 00:49:13,599
the so-called gods are described they

1071
00:49:19,319 --> 00:49:15,430
were flying around with flying machines

1072
00:49:22,380 --> 00:49:19,329
called the Rings gods of Vimanas in

1073
00:49:24,599 --> 00:49:22,390
India or whatever so take the old

1074
00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:24,609
literature into consideration and then

1075
00:49:30,120 --> 00:49:27,160
you find an explanation for these signs

1076
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:30,130
the humans made designs not the extra

1077
00:49:34,650 --> 00:49:32,530
places but of such over the mention of

1078
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:34,660
the size that you can see them only from

1079
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:39,130
the air mm-hmm you know I like to bounce

1080
00:49:43,740 --> 00:49:40,930
around a little bit and in these

1081
00:49:45,420 --> 00:49:43,750
discussions and and now I'm going to ask

1082
00:49:48,660 --> 00:49:45,430
you I know you've written a lot of books

1083
00:49:52,049 --> 00:49:48,670
we can talk about that as well but since

1084
00:49:55,170 --> 00:49:52,059
you wrote Chariots of the Gods how did

1085
00:49:58,380 --> 00:49:55,180
your life change what just just walk us

1086
00:50:00,240 --> 00:49:58,390
through what what happened well I was

1087
00:50:03,120 --> 00:50:00,250
the managing director of the hotel and

1088
00:50:05,640 --> 00:50:03,130
they gave up the hotel and I simply just

1089
00:50:07,950 --> 00:50:05,650
was a writer and researcher with the

1090
00:50:10,410 --> 00:50:07,960
money I made by the way I have never

1091
00:50:12,870 --> 00:50:10,420
become a rich man still until today not

1092
00:50:16,380 --> 00:50:12,880
I still have an open the taxpayer Bill

1093
00:50:19,950 --> 00:50:16,390
but I spend a lot of money in traveling

1094
00:50:24,569 --> 00:50:19,960
with my colleagues sometimes I finance

1095
00:50:27,690 --> 00:50:24,579
expeditions in in in Saudi Arabia or or

1096
00:50:31,049 --> 00:50:27,700
in Brazil and so so I earned money and I

1097
00:50:33,299 --> 00:50:31,059
spend money so my life has changed and

1098
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:33,309
of course in Chariots of the Gods and in

1099
00:50:38,579 --> 00:50:36,010
earlier books I was a young man and as a

1100
00:50:40,890 --> 00:50:38,589
young man you are enthusiastic you are

1101
00:50:43,380 --> 00:50:40,900
not self critical enough and you believe

1102
00:50:46,950 --> 00:50:43,390
sometimes every rubbish which someone

1103
00:50:50,730 --> 00:50:46,960
may tell you so later you learn do not

1104
00:50:53,059 --> 00:50:50,740
repeat any mistake mistake every book

1105
00:50:55,890 --> 00:50:53,069
has to be perfect and controllable

1106
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:55,900
controllable every source has to be

1107
00:51:00,720 --> 00:50:58,210
correct so that's what you learn what

1108
00:51:02,850 --> 00:51:00,730
you not change in your life in the

1109
00:51:05,700 --> 00:51:02,860
meantime of the 80 year old

1110
00:51:08,580 --> 00:51:05,710
man I think that the the scientific

1111
00:51:11,850 --> 00:51:08,590
community accepts the way how my

1112
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:11,860
theories are presented well that's good

1113
00:51:16,950 --> 00:51:13,330
to hear I was that was going to be my

1114
00:51:19,290 --> 00:51:16,960
next question was to ask you if you had

1115
00:51:21,690 --> 00:51:19,300
like cyan't any scientists that you're

1116
00:51:25,140 --> 00:51:21,700
aware of I was looking at your legendary

1117
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:25,150
times and if you want to talk about that

1118
00:51:31,350 --> 00:51:29,650
a little bit it oh this is something you

1119
00:51:33,870 --> 00:51:31,360
publish right but you have like a

1120
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:33,880
membership a 10,000 members can you talk

1121
00:51:40,290 --> 00:51:36,970
about that yeah you see long time ago

1122
00:51:42,630 --> 00:51:40,300
that was in the in 1971 I had speeches

1123
00:51:45,030 --> 00:51:42,640
in the United States and one evening an

1124
00:51:46,530 --> 00:51:45,040
American Lawyer came to me his name was

1125
00:51:49,860 --> 00:51:46,540
Jean Philippe he was an absolutely

1126
00:51:52,500 --> 00:51:49,870
modest and sympathic man and he

1127
00:51:55,770 --> 00:51:52,510
suggested to me we should create an eric

1128
00:51:58,320 --> 00:51:55,780
from Daniken society and i was again the

1129
00:52:01,050 --> 00:51:58,330
name of Erich von Daniken society I was

1130
00:52:02,850 --> 00:52:01,060
for a society you know I had something

1131
00:52:05,910 --> 00:52:02,860
in mind like the National Geographic

1132
00:52:08,340 --> 00:52:05,920
Society or whatever so I said to him all

1133
00:52:10,470 --> 00:52:08,350
right we make a society but let's find

1134
00:52:14,370 --> 00:52:10,480
another name and he suggested the name

1135
00:52:17,010 --> 00:52:14,380
of ancient astronaut society and this

1136
00:52:19,770 --> 00:52:17,020
international society gives out a

1137
00:52:22,530 --> 00:52:19,780
magazine every two or three months which

1138
00:52:25,140 --> 00:52:22,540
is called ancient aliens now this

1139
00:52:28,140 --> 00:52:25,150
society has an American branch and the

1140
00:52:30,660 --> 00:52:28,150
European branch and in America you know

1141
00:52:33,560 --> 00:52:30,670
my friend Jojo to scholars everyone

1142
00:52:36,870 --> 00:52:33,570
knows Jon's officials from the TV series

1143
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:36,880
engine aliens he's doing this is job

1144
00:52:43,530 --> 00:52:39,970
wonderful I'm doing this in Europe our

1145
00:52:46,620 --> 00:52:43,540
magazine has in the meantime 45 pizza

1146
00:52:49,230 --> 00:52:46,630
pages is in full color and comes out

1147
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:49,240
every two months and there we always

1148
00:52:54,390 --> 00:52:52,450
present the newest findings of course

1149
00:52:56,190 --> 00:52:54,400
the u.s. literature and there we

1150
00:52:59,250 --> 00:52:56,200
published were Erich von Daniken has

1151
00:53:01,620 --> 00:52:59,260
speeches what can you see him etc I'm

1152
00:53:03,780 --> 00:53:01,630
happy that we have this international

1153
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:03,790
organization among the German

1154
00:53:09,270 --> 00:53:06,490
organization we have at least i would

1155
00:53:12,770 --> 00:53:09,280
say 100 scientists from different

1156
00:53:15,900 --> 00:53:12,780
faculties really well now I think

1157
00:53:16,470 --> 00:53:15,910
Giorgio has been Giorgio has been a

1158
00:53:19,470 --> 00:53:16,480
really good

1159
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:19,480
but thankful publicity because everyone

1160
00:53:24,300 --> 00:53:22,450
knows him by his hair so he comes up

1161
00:53:27,060 --> 00:53:24,310
everywhere in pictures all over the

1162
00:53:28,710 --> 00:53:27,070
internet and then people that don't ever

1163
00:53:31,050 --> 00:53:28,720
had people that have never watched

1164
00:53:33,270 --> 00:53:31,060
ancient aliens all of a sudden like oh

1165
00:53:36,270 --> 00:53:33,280
you know they get interested just

1166
00:53:38,910 --> 00:53:36,280
because I uh you know him and Jojo even

1167
00:53:41,550 --> 00:53:38,920
has an own TV series in the meantime by

1168
00:53:45,359 --> 00:53:41,560
the way Jojo grew up in Switzerland I

1169
00:53:48,120 --> 00:53:45,369
knew him when he was nearly 18 years old

1170
00:53:50,250 --> 00:53:48,130
young man so we were together at that

1171
00:53:52,340 --> 00:53:50,260
time already later he went to the United

1172
00:53:55,260 --> 00:53:52,350
States how about that I never knew that

1173
00:53:57,420 --> 00:53:55,270
now let's talk about your other have you

1174
00:54:01,380 --> 00:53:57,430
really written 55 books I thought it was

1175
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:01,390
20-something now it's 30 37 books in the

1176
00:54:06,990 --> 00:54:03,850
meantime with the total edition of

1177
00:54:09,300 --> 00:54:07,000
around 65 million copy something like

1178
00:54:11,700 --> 00:54:09,310
this but as I said before I have never

1179
00:54:15,390 --> 00:54:11,710
become a rich man i'm traveling all the

1180
00:54:18,450 --> 00:54:15,400
time just in three days I'm going to

1181
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:18,460
Greece and then as I said in about 10

1182
00:54:24,090 --> 00:54:20,530
days or so I will be in the United

1183
00:54:26,340 --> 00:54:24,100
States in California Wow and you travel

1184
00:54:28,290 --> 00:54:26,350
all over the world constantly don't you

1185
00:54:31,230 --> 00:54:28,300
yeah Oh constantly all over the world

1186
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:31,240
not only for speeches sometimes I have a

1187
00:54:36,750 --> 00:54:33,970
lot of speeches but also for researchers

1188
00:54:39,210 --> 00:54:36,760
you see whenever I read all right here

1189
00:54:41,430 --> 00:54:39,220
something of new discoveries namak

1190
00:54:43,830 --> 00:54:41,440
archaeology and whenever I hear it has

1191
00:54:46,590 --> 00:54:43,840
something to do with astronomy or it's

1192
00:54:49,170 --> 00:54:46,600
strange a stranger we cannot explain of

1193
00:54:51,180 --> 00:54:49,180
course I take the next aircraft and I go

1194
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:51,190
there and they look for a contact with

1195
00:54:55,859 --> 00:54:53,410
the local archaeologist and those who I

1196
00:54:59,430 --> 00:54:55,869
know absolutely brilliant and friendly

1197
00:55:03,660 --> 00:54:59,440
personalities uh-huh excuse me let's

1198
00:55:09,000 --> 00:55:03,670
talk about that the astrological lying

1199
00:55:10,830 --> 00:55:09,010
lining up of the pyramids and and what I

1200
00:55:12,930 --> 00:55:10,840
am going to edit this eric I got to tell

1201
00:55:14,460 --> 00:55:12,940
you I've i'm working in antique fair and

1202
00:55:18,810 --> 00:55:14,470
I'm totally exhausted i've been trying

1203
00:55:21,570 --> 00:55:18,820
to hold it together so but what am I

1204
00:55:23,130 --> 00:55:21,580
trying to say the alignments of

1205
00:55:25,230 --> 00:55:23,140
different structures that's what I'm

1206
00:55:27,570 --> 00:55:25,240
trying to say so how would be a good way

1207
00:55:29,499 --> 00:55:27,580
for me to pose that question but that's

1208
00:55:33,519 --> 00:55:29,509
like complicated really think

1209
00:55:36,999 --> 00:55:33,529
you see everyone knows more or less

1210
00:55:39,189 --> 00:55:37,009
about the Greek mythology there is a God

1211
00:55:42,819 --> 00:55:39,199
with the name of dues he had the son of

1212
00:55:45,999 --> 00:55:42,829
apollo etc now in Greece we have

1213
00:55:49,929 --> 00:55:46,009
different old holy places they were

1214
00:55:52,149 --> 00:55:49,939
temple already in Stone Age later these

1215
00:55:57,339 --> 00:55:52,159
temple has become classical structures

1216
00:56:01,449 --> 00:55:57,349
like Delphie Epidaurus Acropolis etc but

1217
00:56:04,659 --> 00:56:01,459
what we know now know all these old holy

1218
00:56:10,029 --> 00:56:04,669
places are linked together in the same

1219
00:56:12,879 --> 00:56:10,039
distance and always the same angles so

1220
00:56:15,609 --> 00:56:12,889
you you can just measure it very very

1221
00:56:17,589 --> 00:56:15,619
easy the distances from Delphie to the

1222
00:56:19,989 --> 00:56:17,599
Acropolis is the same as we are

1223
00:56:22,959 --> 00:56:19,999
Acropolis to FP dollars from Epidaurus

1224
00:56:26,139 --> 00:56:22,969
the same distance etc etcetera this goes

1225
00:56:29,259 --> 00:56:26,149
on and on now Greece is a land with

1226
00:56:32,019 --> 00:56:29,269
mountains and hills and sometimes they

1227
00:56:34,509 --> 00:56:32,029
are islands which are 200 kilometers

1228
00:56:36,999 --> 00:56:34,519
away from the landscape now and there

1229
00:56:39,909 --> 00:56:37,009
again you have the same distances so

1230
00:56:43,289 --> 00:56:39,919
someone must have much measured the old

1231
00:56:46,749 --> 00:56:43,299
grease before plateau before Pythagoras

1232
00:56:50,649 --> 00:56:46,759
before I click it was already there in

1233
00:56:53,439 --> 00:56:50,659
Stone Age why why has somebody told to

1234
00:56:55,479 --> 00:56:53,449
our for voters okay you want to make a

1235
00:56:57,909 --> 00:56:55,489
temple or a building in our honor we

1236
00:57:00,609 --> 00:56:57,919
accept this but please make it just on

1237
00:57:02,649 --> 00:57:00,619
this place with which we tell you and

1238
00:57:06,189 --> 00:57:02,659
you ought to say okay only in this place

1239
00:57:09,669 --> 00:57:06,199
and I have a hunt why they have done

1240
00:57:12,099 --> 00:57:09,679
this they knew exactly that far away in

1241
00:57:13,709 --> 00:57:12,109
the future thousands of years after the

1242
00:57:16,870 --> 00:57:13,719
visits of these extraterrestrials

1243
00:57:19,569 --> 00:57:16,880
mankind would develop technology we

1244
00:57:22,089 --> 00:57:19,579
would find the way of flying as we have

1245
00:57:25,179 --> 00:57:22,099
our aircraft then we would measure our

1246
00:57:28,089 --> 00:57:25,189
lands we would realize that some of

1247
00:57:30,609 --> 00:57:28,099
these all sightings the holy places are

1248
00:57:32,919 --> 00:57:30,619
all linked together in the same

1249
00:57:35,769 --> 00:57:32,929
geometrical measures soon as we

1250
00:57:38,079 --> 00:57:35,779
understand this at Bessie's effect which

1251
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:38,089
everyone can control soon as we know

1252
00:57:43,770 --> 00:57:41,410
this we start to ask questions we ask

1253
00:57:46,200 --> 00:57:43,780
how it is possible but there may be

1254
00:57:49,080 --> 00:57:46,210
another civilization before our

1255
00:57:50,990 --> 00:57:49,090
civilization or someone may come up with

1256
00:57:53,280 --> 00:57:51,000
the idea where there may be

1257
00:57:56,460 --> 00:57:53,290
extraterrestrials could display an XP an

1258
00:57:59,280 --> 00:57:56,470
explanation now we are exactly in this

1259
00:58:01,560 --> 00:57:59,290
situation we have this measurement and

1260
00:58:03,810 --> 00:58:01,570
we have the question have you been

1261
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:03,820
visited from outer space and we ask the

1262
00:58:09,600 --> 00:58:06,970
next question well if so what is that to

1263
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:09,610
prove they must have left something what

1264
00:58:15,300 --> 00:58:12,610
we found the answer but without the

1265
00:58:17,490 --> 00:58:15,310
stone age places we would never come up

1266
00:58:20,790 --> 00:58:17,500
with the question so it was done on

1267
00:58:23,370 --> 00:58:20,800
purpose the future generation should

1268
00:58:30,030 --> 00:58:23,380
stop to ask questions and that's exactly

1269
00:58:32,670 --> 00:58:30,040
our situation today in of all the

1270
00:58:35,430 --> 00:58:32,680
research that you have done all through

1271
00:58:38,190 --> 00:58:35,440
the years which would you say is the

1272
00:58:41,760 --> 00:58:38,200
most compelling evidence that we have

1273
00:58:44,370 --> 00:58:41,770
been visited well the greatest mystery

1274
00:58:47,190 --> 00:58:44,380
is still and this only nowadays the

1275
00:58:49,320 --> 00:58:47,200
Great Pyramid as I mentioned before by

1276
00:58:52,020 --> 00:58:49,330
electronic meanings we have discovered

1277
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:52,030
shafts and rooms in and under the

1278
00:58:57,270 --> 00:58:54,730
pyramid which we did not know before so

1279
00:59:00,180 --> 00:58:57,280
this is a mystery the other mention i

1280
00:59:02,310 --> 00:59:00,190
mentioned is palenque this tombstone of

1281
00:59:05,820 --> 00:59:02,320
palenque and the other one are the holy

1282
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:05,830
books you see some hundred seventy years

1283
00:59:12,150 --> 00:59:08,770
ago in ethiopia in an old library a

1284
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:12,160
British man found the book with the name

1285
00:59:17,970 --> 00:59:15,490
The Book of Enoch this book of Enoch was

1286
00:59:20,490 --> 00:59:17,980
translated from the Ethiopian language

1287
00:59:22,830 --> 00:59:20,500
into English and later from English into

1288
00:59:26,010 --> 00:59:22,840
German but the translations the first

1289
00:59:29,370 --> 00:59:26,020
were were hundred and seventy years ago

1290
00:59:31,410 --> 00:59:29,380
at that time no one know of the

1291
00:59:34,410 --> 00:59:31,420
professors or the translators knew

1292
00:59:37,650 --> 00:59:34,420
anything about flying there was no

1293
00:59:39,290 --> 00:59:37,660
flying machines 170 years ago no one

1294
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:39,300
used something about space travel

1295
00:59:46,410 --> 00:59:42,010
spaceship sort of translations were

1296
00:59:49,230 --> 00:59:46,420
always made in the sense of religion for

1297
00:59:52,950 --> 00:59:49,240
example they translate well to angels

1298
00:59:54,740 --> 00:59:52,960
descended from the sky to the earth they

1299
00:59:57,230 --> 00:59:54,750
took Enoch at

1300
00:59:59,750 --> 00:59:57,240
into the sky into the heaven there he

1301
01:00:02,720 --> 00:59:59,760
came together with the almighty god in

1302
01:00:06,580 --> 01:00:02,730
the meantime the new translation makes

1303
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:06,590
clear it was not to angels it was to

1304
01:00:11,870 --> 01:00:09,330
extraterrestrials it was not he was not

1305
01:00:14,870 --> 01:00:11,880
taken into heaven he was taken into

1306
01:00:17,870 --> 01:00:14,880
space he was not sitting before the

1307
01:00:20,120 --> 01:00:17,880
great drone of the Almighty God he was

1308
01:00:22,310 --> 01:00:20,130
setting city before the chair of the

1309
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:22,320
commanding of the commander of the space

1310
01:00:28,820 --> 01:00:25,290
club so it's all a question of the

1311
01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:28,830
spirit of time how you translate these

1312
01:00:34,700 --> 01:00:32,130
old texts now in India we have a

1313
01:00:37,430 --> 01:00:34,710
brilliant professor of Sanskrit his name

1314
01:00:40,550 --> 01:00:37,440
is dr. Kanjilal he now translated old

1315
01:00:43,610 --> 01:00:40,560
Indian texts in this modern sense and

1316
01:00:45,350 --> 01:00:43,620
the result is absolutely buffing the

1317
01:00:47,720 --> 01:00:45,360
same see happened with Sumerian

1318
01:00:49,940 --> 01:00:47,730
cuneiform we have a German professor in

1319
01:00:52,970 --> 01:00:49,950
Sioux merle-jo morality his name is

1320
01:00:55,970 --> 01:00:52,980
burger and he translated now Sumerian

1321
01:00:58,570 --> 01:00:55,980
texts to reforms in this modern sense

1322
01:01:02,120 --> 01:00:58,580
and he told me Eric this is fascinating

1323
01:01:05,540 --> 01:01:02,130
in the past we all translated it from a

1324
01:01:08,630 --> 01:01:05,550
religions and / and that psychological

1325
01:01:11,300 --> 01:01:08,640
view but it is not religion and

1326
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:11,310
psychology it was reality and the

1327
01:01:19,130 --> 01:01:16,770
outcome is fantastic over the years with

1328
01:01:22,670 --> 01:01:19,140
all your books starting right from the

1329
01:01:24,800 --> 01:01:22,680
beat the very beginning I'm sure that

1330
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:24,810
you were met with a lot of skeptics you

1331
01:01:28,340 --> 01:01:26,370
know trying to explain everything in

1332
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:28,350
your book in your books and in your

1333
01:01:34,610 --> 01:01:31,050
writings and film and all that how do

1334
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:34,620
you deal with that I left them this is

1335
01:01:40,730 --> 01:01:37,890
this still goes on until today last week

1336
01:01:42,950 --> 01:01:40,740
I had a speech in a university in

1337
01:01:45,830 --> 01:01:42,960
Switzerland in a city called free book

1338
01:01:48,440 --> 01:01:45,840
it was not a public speech it was just a

1339
01:01:52,790 --> 01:01:48,450
normal university speech you know in an

1340
01:01:55,700 --> 01:01:52,800
auditorium with about 45 students at

1341
01:01:59,120 --> 01:01:55,710
about six professors and there I from my

1342
01:02:02,420 --> 01:01:59,130
side explained that in ancient Indians

1343
01:02:04,370 --> 01:02:02,430
some flying machines existed and there

1344
01:02:06,470 --> 01:02:04,380
were differences between different

1345
01:02:08,150 --> 01:02:06,480
machines some of them could fly to the

1346
01:02:10,970 --> 01:02:08,160
moon others could of

1347
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:10,980
I between the continents and so on after

1348
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:13,410
my short speech the professor of in

1349
01:02:17,900 --> 01:02:15,930
dollar G answered it initiate to the

1350
01:02:20,299 --> 01:02:17,910
students well we had to have to

1351
01:02:23,299 --> 01:02:20,309
understand this completely different as

1352
01:02:26,299 --> 01:02:23,309
mr. von Daniken says we all know that

1353
01:02:29,569 --> 01:02:26,309
rich people today they have some cars

1354
01:02:32,359 --> 01:02:29,579
for example mercidas or a Ferrari they

1355
01:02:35,210 --> 01:02:32,369
are proud of having one or two cars now

1356
01:02:37,789 --> 01:02:35,220
the cars are sometimes opened they go

1357
01:02:40,880 --> 01:02:37,799
with high speed and the air comes to

1358
01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:40,890
their hairs etc and he says in antiquity

1359
01:02:46,700 --> 01:02:43,650
we had the same thing the rich families

1360
01:02:49,579 --> 01:02:46,710
they had some cars chariots they were

1361
01:02:52,339 --> 01:02:49,589
driven by two or three or four horses

1362
01:02:54,740 --> 01:02:52,349
and they were standing on this chariot

1363
01:02:58,069 --> 01:02:54,750
like we see it in the movie been Hoover

1364
01:03:01,130 --> 01:02:58,079
and also in an ancient times because of

1365
01:03:04,760 --> 01:03:01,140
the speed of their chariot there the air

1366
01:03:07,099 --> 01:03:04,770
was floating to their hair etc so we

1367
01:03:10,760 --> 01:03:07,109
have to understand these flying chariots

1368
01:03:14,029 --> 01:03:10,770
in this way in a natural way now see you

1369
01:03:17,059 --> 01:03:14,039
see the skeptics are still trying to

1370
01:03:19,700 --> 01:03:17,069
find a natural explanation later again

1371
01:03:21,799 --> 01:03:19,710
in a very friendly debate I said to the

1372
01:03:24,769 --> 01:03:21,809
professor it's wonderful your point of

1373
01:03:27,859 --> 01:03:24,779
view but in the ancient Indian text you

1374
01:03:30,650 --> 01:03:27,869
can see clear differences between cars

1375
01:03:33,349 --> 01:03:30,660
which have wheels and others which have

1376
01:03:35,569 --> 01:03:33,359
no wheels between cars which touch the

1377
01:03:37,460 --> 01:03:35,579
ground and others who do not touch the

1378
01:03:40,250 --> 01:03:37,470
ground and he said well I'm not familiar

1379
01:03:42,940 --> 01:03:40,260
with these texts in the meantime I send

1380
01:03:46,130 --> 01:03:42,950
it to them so the situation will change

1381
01:03:49,549 --> 01:03:46,140
we live in another world the spirit of

1382
01:03:53,750 --> 01:03:49,559
time has changed now the show that we do

1383
01:03:56,390 --> 01:03:53,760
here is on UFOs basically and this of

1384
01:03:58,460 --> 01:03:56,400
course is you know all part of it I you

1385
01:04:02,450 --> 01:03:58,470
know I believe but what is your thoughts

1386
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:02,460
on today's sightings Newman these UFO

1387
01:04:09,349 --> 01:04:05,490
sightings yes well personally I never

1388
01:04:11,630 --> 01:04:09,359
had a UFO sites I don't know why I love

1389
01:04:15,529 --> 01:04:11,640
to see one but on the other hand I know

1390
01:04:17,569 --> 01:04:15,539
of the new UFO books you see in the old

1391
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:17,579
UFO books sometimes there is a lot of

1392
01:04:23,750 --> 01:04:20,330
rubbish inside and their people

1393
01:04:26,180 --> 01:04:23,760
very quick so and in the meantime we

1394
01:04:27,890 --> 01:04:26,190
have some scientific books at least in

1395
01:04:29,330 --> 01:04:27,900
the German market some of them exist

1396
01:04:32,150 --> 01:04:29,340
also in the United States for example

1397
01:04:35,530 --> 01:04:32,160
the book of Leslie Kean or the book of

1398
01:04:38,330 --> 01:04:35,540
John be Alexander and there you see the

1399
01:04:40,940 --> 01:04:38,340
eyewitness and they speak and these

1400
01:04:43,310 --> 01:04:40,950
eyewitness are scientists were

1401
01:04:45,860 --> 01:04:43,320
scientists in the past years in the

1402
01:04:47,900 --> 01:04:45,870
meantime they are retired or governor

1403
01:04:51,170 --> 01:04:47,910
Governor like the Governor of Arizona

1404
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:51,180
mr. Fife Symington and nowadays tell

1405
01:04:56,540 --> 01:04:54,450
what they saw some years ago and what

1406
01:04:59,030 --> 01:04:56,550
they had and they tell us that they did

1407
01:05:02,000 --> 01:04:59,040
not tell us that through some 10 or 15

1408
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:02,010
years ago so again the situation changes

1409
01:05:09,290 --> 01:05:05,610
I myself have Reese received just a few

1410
01:05:13,310 --> 01:05:09,300
months ago a disc CD from a fighter

1411
01:05:16,340 --> 01:05:13,320
pilot from Costa Rica and there you see

1412
01:05:18,500 --> 01:05:16,350
a UFO and definitely there's no files

1413
01:05:21,890 --> 01:05:18,510
indicate because everything you know

1414
01:05:24,800 --> 01:05:21,900
when you take the pictures from from the

1415
01:05:26,980 --> 01:05:24,810
cockpit of a fighter and a fighter then

1416
01:05:30,140 --> 01:05:26,990
you see all the the higher quality

1417
01:05:32,780 --> 01:05:30,150
inscription inside the distance hood

1418
01:05:35,810 --> 01:05:32,790
through the to the object the exact time

1419
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:35,820
the geographical position etc by the way

1420
01:05:41,660 --> 01:05:39,570
I show this UFO film also again in

1421
01:05:44,990 --> 01:05:41,670
Joshua Tree and I give it up to

1422
01:05:46,780 --> 01:05:45,000
discussion I showed this UFO to some

1423
01:05:50,180 --> 01:05:46,790
scientist he and the German community

1424
01:05:53,180 --> 01:05:50,190
including to Chandra becomes him he's

1425
01:05:55,580 --> 01:05:53,190
the chief of astrophysics at the

1426
01:05:57,800 --> 01:05:55,590
University of Cardiff I gave it to him

1427
01:06:00,050 --> 01:05:57,810
just a few weeks ago and he tell told me

1428
01:06:02,930 --> 01:06:00,060
at the phone Eric we cannot disprove

1429
01:06:05,350 --> 01:06:02,940
this anymore but we don't know what it

1430
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:05,360
is definitely there is an object

1431
01:06:11,300 --> 01:06:08,610
appearing flying over over the earth in

1432
01:06:13,790 --> 01:06:11,310
high speed going into the water coming

1433
01:06:16,310 --> 01:06:13,800
out of the water and we cannot explain

1434
01:06:20,180 --> 01:06:16,320
it this must be another dimension but at

1435
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:20,190
least things are here some 20 years ago

1436
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:22,410
we all denied it we said nothing is here

1437
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:25,890
in the meantime below learn something is

1438
01:06:33,470 --> 01:06:30,450
here so you just had your 80th birthday

1439
01:06:34,320 --> 01:06:33,480
just last month and I'm happy belated

1440
01:06:37,200 --> 01:06:34,330
birthday about

1441
01:06:39,660 --> 01:06:37,210
way are you doing any more writing at

1442
01:06:41,730 --> 01:06:39,670
this time in your life of course it

1443
01:06:43,980 --> 01:06:41,740
never ending I'm happy that the cops

1444
01:06:46,650 --> 01:06:43,990
loved me that my brain is functioning

1445
01:06:49,770 --> 01:06:46,660
perfectly you see I had some two and a

1446
01:06:51,900 --> 01:06:49,780
half weeks i had this 80 birthday and

1447
01:06:53,970 --> 01:06:51,910
there was a congress in my hunter in

1448
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:53,980
Germany and there were three thousands

1449
01:07:01,320 --> 01:06:57,370
of persons and I was very very happy and

1450
01:07:03,540 --> 01:07:01,330
very proud and graceful of course and a

1451
01:07:05,790 --> 01:07:03,550
lot of connections again and wonderful

1452
01:07:08,550 --> 01:07:05,800
connections which scientists so the

1453
01:07:12,240 --> 01:07:08,560
situation again has changed Oh excellent

1454
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:12,250
excellent well Eric this is wrapping up

1455
01:07:16,590 --> 01:07:14,530
the show I want to thank you so much

1456
01:07:19,830 --> 01:07:16,600
it's been a real pleasure speaking to

1457
01:07:21,450 --> 01:07:19,840
you it's a pleasure for being with you

1458
01:07:23,220 --> 01:07:21,460
thank you for your help for your

1459
01:07:27,090 --> 01:07:23,230
understanding and I'm happy to come to

1460
01:07:29,820 --> 01:07:27,100
California wonder ok bye bye bye bye so

1461
01:07:31,830 --> 01:07:29,830
ok so that's it for the first part of

1462
01:07:33,780 --> 01:07:31,840
the show and hang in there for the music

1463
01:07:35,610 --> 01:07:33,790
break we'll be right back for the second

1464
01:08:39,410 --> 01:07:35,620
part of the show and Barbara Harris

1465
01:08:50,519 --> 01:08:46,860
Heidi Barbara Barbara Barbara they would

1466
01:08:55,800 --> 01:08:50,529
help if i had my microphone on i think

1467
01:08:58,680 --> 01:08:55,810
i'm the one who told you to make sure hi

1468
01:09:01,019 --> 01:08:58,690
there boy you know i do have to say some

1469
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:01,029
apologies to about that just now and

1470
01:09:05,939 --> 01:09:04,810
also for the live listener and you know

1471
01:09:07,499 --> 01:09:05,949
i'm just going to keep things the way

1472
01:09:11,099 --> 01:09:07,509
they are and i'm just going to say that

1473
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:11,109
by accident I had just ran the file that

1474
01:09:17,370 --> 01:09:14,650
was unedited with Erich von dank and

1475
01:09:18,689 --> 01:09:17,380
Daniken and so I apologize for that but

1476
01:09:20,789 --> 01:09:18,699
it's just like hearing a live show

1477
01:09:21,840 --> 01:09:20,799
except for the fact that I tell them two

1478
01:09:24,360 --> 01:09:21,850
or three times and I'm going to be

1479
01:09:27,059 --> 01:09:24,370
editing it but that's the way it is it's

1480
01:09:29,309 --> 01:09:27,069
raw it's all the way it was at the time

1481
01:09:32,419 --> 01:09:29,319
and that's how we do our live show

1482
01:09:35,130 --> 01:09:32,429
anyway Barbara I want to welcome you and

1483
01:09:37,499 --> 01:09:35,140
and we need to know the scoop what's

1484
01:09:40,229 --> 01:09:37,509
your story and I know we're going to be

1485
01:09:41,910 --> 01:09:40,239
talking a little bit about is a great

1486
01:09:45,890 --> 01:09:41,920
rock i always get that mixed up with big

1487
01:09:49,650 --> 01:09:45,900
rock a great work a giant giant rock

1488
01:09:51,959 --> 01:09:49,660
something big but let's talk about all

1489
01:09:53,729 --> 01:09:51,969
that and who you are and how you get

1490
01:09:55,890 --> 01:09:53,739
interested in i guess we have something

1491
01:10:00,090 --> 01:09:55,900
in common too were into historical

1492
01:10:03,390 --> 01:10:00,100
societies and history a bit oh yes I'm

1493
01:10:05,939 --> 01:10:03,400
that's that's my background first of all

1494
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:05,949
I I'm a from the east I'm from

1495
01:10:11,520 --> 01:10:09,370
Pennsylvania and in the late 70s I might

1496
01:10:14,820 --> 01:10:11,530
grade it out here to California and I

1497
01:10:16,410 --> 01:10:14,830
found my way to the Mojave Desert and I

1498
01:10:19,590 --> 01:10:16,420
would come out here to the Mojave Desert

1499
01:10:22,169 --> 01:10:19,600
and and I started to enjoy the desert

1500
01:10:25,229 --> 01:10:22,179
and so I found this thing out in the

1501
01:10:27,060 --> 01:10:25,239
desert and it was this giant rock and it

1502
01:10:29,910 --> 01:10:27,070
was connected to this other thing called

1503
01:10:32,790 --> 01:10:29,920
the integratron so you can't imagine

1504
01:10:35,910 --> 01:10:32,800
this way back in the 80s ok so the early

1505
01:10:39,540 --> 01:10:35,920
80s and I would be coming out here to

1506
01:10:41,760 --> 01:10:39,550
this desert and and and the giant rock

1507
01:10:44,540 --> 01:10:41,770
that would be standing out here and this

1508
01:10:48,810 --> 01:10:44,550
rock was seven stories tall it was

1509
01:10:49,850 --> 01:10:48,820
25,000 tons and in it covered an area of

1510
01:10:52,640 --> 01:10:49,860
about six

1511
01:10:54,919 --> 01:10:52,650
the square feet so uh you know I got

1512
01:10:58,520 --> 01:10:54,929
really intrigued by this back then in

1513
01:11:01,910 --> 01:10:58,530
the 80s and I started doing research on

1514
01:11:04,129 --> 01:11:01,920
it and as I I started to find out more

1515
01:11:07,609 --> 01:11:04,139
and more about it and this thing went

1516
01:11:10,609 --> 01:11:07,619
way back and it would go back to the

1517
01:11:12,770 --> 01:11:10,619
early Native Americans of the time and i

1518
01:11:14,570 --> 01:11:12,780
found out all about that history and

1519
01:11:16,850 --> 01:11:14,580
then it connected to the early

1520
01:11:20,359 --> 01:11:16,860
homesteaders of the time that moved into

1521
01:11:22,609 --> 01:11:20,369
this area the Mojave Desert and and then

1522
01:11:25,580 --> 01:11:22,619
it got really interesting because then

1523
01:11:29,209 --> 01:11:25,590
it connected to a man named George

1524
01:11:31,760 --> 01:11:29,219
beyond castle and and I think many of

1525
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:31,770
your listeners might get know George Van

1526
01:11:38,990 --> 01:11:34,530
Tassel because he has a connection with

1527
01:11:42,020 --> 01:11:39,000
the contactees and and George Van Tassel

1528
01:11:45,770 --> 01:11:42,030
was known as the the first space

1529
01:11:48,620 --> 01:11:45,780
channeler and and that was in the 50s

1530
01:11:51,770 --> 01:11:48,630
and the 60s and where it got really

1531
01:11:54,200 --> 01:11:51,780
interesting for me was this giant rock

1532
01:11:57,890 --> 01:11:54,210
that sits up the middle of this gathered

1533
01:12:01,160 --> 01:11:57,900
out of nowhere is I did more and more

1534
01:12:04,209 --> 01:12:01,170
research I found out that in the 1950s

1535
01:12:09,140 --> 01:12:04,219
late May me mainly in the late 1950s

1536
01:12:12,500 --> 01:12:09,150
there was a time that as many as 15,000

1537
01:12:15,169 --> 01:12:12,510
people would migrate out to this rock to

1538
01:12:18,620 --> 01:12:15,179
listen to George Van Tassel and other

1539
01:12:21,490 --> 01:12:18,630
contactees of the time come to listen to

1540
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:21,500
him speak and talk about their UFO

1541
01:12:28,310 --> 01:12:24,690
experiences and I come to find out that

1542
01:12:32,570 --> 01:12:28,320
this was a very popular spot for UFO

1543
01:12:34,910 --> 01:12:32,580
sightings so yeah that's that's a little

1544
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:34,920
bit of what drew me out here into the

1545
01:12:40,939 --> 01:12:38,250
desert and in the year two thousand and

1546
01:12:42,950 --> 01:12:40,949
four my husband and i uprooted ourselves

1547
01:12:45,800 --> 01:12:42,960
from the coast while we were living in

1548
01:12:48,470 --> 01:12:45,810
Southern California and we actually

1549
01:12:52,609 --> 01:12:48,480
moved out here and made this our home

1550
01:12:56,450 --> 01:12:52,619
and eventually IDK i became president of

1551
01:12:59,209 --> 01:12:56,460
the local Historical Society and did

1552
01:13:01,730 --> 01:12:59,219
more research and have had well over 30

1553
01:13:04,730 --> 01:13:01,740
years of research now in

1554
01:13:06,950 --> 01:13:04,740
about giant rock in the integratron and

1555
01:13:10,250 --> 01:13:06,960
and now I'm doing speaking engagements

1556
01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:10,260
and still researching this giant rock

1557
01:13:18,980 --> 01:13:14,010
and this rejuvenation machine called the

1558
01:13:21,350 --> 01:13:18,990
integratron now yeah now have you heard

1559
01:13:27,100 --> 01:13:21,360
of a lot of basically a lot of sightings

1560
01:13:30,770 --> 01:13:27,110
in that area I heard of it yes and

1561
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:30,780
according to a lot of my research this

1562
01:13:37,940 --> 01:13:33,930
area in particular has a lot of

1563
01:13:44,210 --> 01:13:37,950
documentation with sightings and me in

1564
01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:44,220
particular I actually got photobombed in

1565
01:13:50,840 --> 01:13:48,330
March by a UFO this is no kidding I

1566
01:13:53,470 --> 01:13:50,850
actually we were you know we were on our

1567
01:13:56,840 --> 01:13:53,480
way up to a Joshua Tree National Park

1568
01:14:00,530 --> 01:13:56,850
which is very close to this giant rock

1569
01:14:01,910 --> 01:14:00,540
and and actually where the contact in

1570
01:14:06,110 --> 01:14:01,920
the desert is going to be held this year

1571
01:14:08,870 --> 01:14:06,120
and we were out with some friends and we

1572
01:14:11,960 --> 01:14:08,880
were out taking photos and doing some

1573
01:14:14,420 --> 01:14:11,970
things and my friend was taken pictures

1574
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:14,430
and she went home and she sent me over

1575
01:14:20,660 --> 01:14:17,730
her photos and when I downloaded the

1576
01:14:23,440 --> 01:14:20,670
photos I emailed her back and I went

1577
01:14:26,300 --> 01:14:23,450
haha nice nice trick you know

1578
01:14:29,110 --> 01:14:26,310
photoshopping that UFO in the background

1579
01:14:32,240 --> 01:14:29,120
and she emailed me back and she goes uh

1580
01:14:35,330 --> 01:14:32,250
what I didn't do anything and eventually

1581
01:14:39,470 --> 01:14:35,340
we pulled up the photo and looked it

1582
01:14:42,470 --> 01:14:39,480
over and there's this spaceship floating

1583
01:14:44,360 --> 01:14:42,480
around in the background and none of us

1584
01:14:46,850 --> 01:14:44,370
even knew it was there didn't see it

1585
01:14:48,980 --> 01:14:46,860
when we took the photo and and it's

1586
01:14:51,260 --> 01:14:48,990
quite common it happens quite a bit out

1587
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:51,270
here now did you ever have anyone else

1588
01:14:56,510 --> 01:14:54,570
look at that photo closely like anyone

1589
01:15:00,800 --> 01:14:56,520
that does any type of research or

1590
01:15:03,980 --> 01:15:00,810
anything yes well I can't say intensely

1591
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:03,990
that we did put it up on on facebook and

1592
01:15:13,460 --> 01:15:07,530
and I do have a few associates that are

1593
01:15:15,470 --> 01:15:13,470
very involved in the UFO field and of

1594
01:15:17,540 --> 01:15:15,480
course we did have a lot of

1595
01:15:21,530 --> 01:15:17,550
people examine it they gave their their

1596
01:15:24,190 --> 01:15:21,540
perspective on it what it was we went

1597
01:15:27,380 --> 01:15:24,200
over it with a fine-tooth comb

1598
01:15:29,990 --> 01:15:27,390
everything with regards to the shutter

1599
01:15:31,670 --> 01:15:30,000
speeds how fast they were going all the

1600
01:15:35,660 --> 01:15:31,680
details that would involve with that

1601
01:15:38,210 --> 01:15:35,670
particular photo we can't debunk it we

1602
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:38,220
don't have anything we could actually

1603
01:15:44,750 --> 01:15:40,890
say it is a UFO because nobody seems to

1604
01:15:47,810 --> 01:15:44,760
know what it is and and basically when

1605
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:47,820
you work it out somebody is says it

1606
01:15:55,880 --> 01:15:50,489
looks more like a scout ship is what

1607
01:15:58,880 --> 01:15:55,890
ultimately the final you know synopsis

1608
01:16:02,030 --> 01:15:58,890
of the the whole photo I'd be glad to

1609
01:16:05,660 --> 01:16:02,040
share that with a friend Mark Dantonio

1610
01:16:08,960 --> 01:16:05,670
he is of the chief investigator for

1611
01:16:11,120 --> 01:16:08,970
images and video for move on I'd be glad

1612
01:16:13,490 --> 01:16:11,130
to share that with him and see what he

1613
01:16:15,320 --> 01:16:13,500
has to say about it if you'd like oh and

1614
01:16:20,090 --> 01:16:15,330
we can talk about that off air course

1615
01:16:23,840 --> 01:16:20,100
and let's talk about is it the integrant

1616
01:16:27,710 --> 01:16:23,850
ton and do yeah is that it that's a

1617
01:16:30,710 --> 01:16:27,720
structure yes that was built yeah okay

1618
01:16:34,130 --> 01:16:30,720
that's that connected very much to giant

1619
01:16:39,080 --> 01:16:34,140
rock because that was part of George Van

1620
01:16:42,890 --> 01:16:39,090
Tassel's legacy you might say and how

1621
01:16:45,979 --> 01:16:42,900
that came about was George Van Tassel he

1622
01:16:49,580 --> 01:16:45,989
lived at giant rock he moved his family

1623
01:16:53,330 --> 01:16:49,590
out there and and what happened to him

1624
01:16:58,070 --> 01:16:53,340
is he was at giant rock and and as he

1625
01:17:03,440 --> 01:16:58,080
was out there one night he he says that

1626
01:17:07,970 --> 01:17:03,450
he had a spaceship land and these he had

1627
01:17:11,450 --> 01:17:07,980
contacts with people from Venus and the

1628
01:17:14,720 --> 01:17:11,460
the story goes into detail in many of

1629
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:14,730
the van tassel writings and but

1630
01:17:19,820 --> 01:17:16,890
basically what these people from Venus

1631
01:17:22,220 --> 01:17:19,830
told him and I like to summarize very

1632
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,230
quickly and they told him that you know

1633
01:17:28,040 --> 01:17:24,960
you people on earth humans you're coming

1634
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:28,050
along okay as a species however it seems

1635
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:29,250
by the time you fly

1636
01:17:37,400 --> 01:17:34,170
even get it you die so what these these

1637
01:17:40,430 --> 01:17:37,410
beings revenus were going to do they

1638
01:17:43,270 --> 01:17:40,440
were going to give George and what they

1639
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:43,280
did is they were giving him information

1640
01:17:51,230 --> 01:17:47,610
about technology and to give him you

1641
01:17:54,920 --> 01:17:51,240
know ways of how to extend and how to

1642
01:17:57,670 --> 01:17:54,930
rejuvenate human cellular structure thus

1643
01:18:01,190 --> 01:17:57,680
that was the building of the integratron

1644
01:18:04,850 --> 01:18:01,200
so in order for George to raise funds to

1645
01:18:07,280 --> 01:18:04,860
build the integratron that's how he he

1646
01:18:09,770 --> 01:18:07,290
built he would do these spaceship

1647
01:18:15,110 --> 01:18:09,780
conventions out in the desert at giant

1648
01:18:19,490 --> 01:18:15,120
rock and he also started a foundation

1649
01:18:23,690 --> 01:18:19,500
called the Council for universal wisdom

1650
01:18:26,180 --> 01:18:23,700
and and he had a booklet called the

1651
01:18:27,710 --> 01:18:26,190
proceedings and these little booklets

1652
01:18:31,340 --> 01:18:27,720
could go out and people would make their

1653
01:18:35,330 --> 01:18:31,350
donations so he built the he started

1654
01:18:39,280 --> 01:18:35,340
building the integratron and and the

1655
01:18:42,650 --> 01:18:39,290
integratron has now been very popular

1656
01:18:45,680 --> 01:18:42,660
people can look it up and and it was a

1657
01:18:52,390 --> 01:18:45,690
structure that was supposed to be able

1658
01:18:56,540 --> 01:18:52,400
to rejuvenate the human cells and but i

1659
01:19:00,160 --> 01:18:56,550
never got turned on because George Van

1660
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:00,170
Tassel died before it ever got turned on

1661
01:19:07,370 --> 01:19:04,650
so but the actual structure itself is

1662
01:19:12,920 --> 01:19:07,380
very fascinating and it has a big

1663
01:19:16,370 --> 01:19:12,930
history behind it so the and the big

1664
01:19:19,040 --> 01:19:16,380
thing about the integratron is that it

1665
01:19:23,630 --> 01:19:19,050
has it works in conjunction with giant

1666
01:19:29,200 --> 01:19:23,640
rock because where it is built is very

1667
01:19:34,850 --> 01:19:29,210
important because it fits on a spot that

1668
01:19:38,840 --> 01:19:34,860
converges on a ley line that the same as

1669
01:19:42,180 --> 01:19:38,850
giant rock plus in the center of the

1670
01:19:44,970 --> 01:19:42,190
integratron is worth three

1671
01:19:46,680 --> 01:19:44,980
aquifers which for those who don't know

1672
01:19:50,370 --> 01:19:46,690
what the aquifers are it's three

1673
01:19:53,670 --> 01:19:50,380
underground rivers converge so that

1674
01:19:58,560 --> 01:19:53,680
creates some a very strong energy field

1675
01:20:02,910 --> 01:19:58,570
or vortex and and also what also makes

1676
01:20:06,150 --> 01:20:02,920
the integratron very special is the fact

1677
01:20:09,810 --> 01:20:06,160
that it's built like a parabolic shape

1678
01:20:14,340 --> 01:20:09,820
and it's built in a sacred geometry so

1679
01:20:19,200 --> 01:20:14,350
its shape amplifies that energy plus it

1680
01:20:22,260 --> 01:20:19,210
was built with no no metal it was built

1681
01:20:26,220 --> 01:20:22,270
in the in the way like shipbuilders

1682
01:20:29,610 --> 01:20:26,230
would build so you had a an upstairs and

1683
01:20:34,320 --> 01:20:29,620
a downstairs and and you had a positive

1684
01:20:37,470 --> 01:20:34,330
and a negative charge and in what was

1685
01:20:40,380 --> 01:20:37,480
intended was that it would spin on a bed

1686
01:20:44,450 --> 01:20:40,390
of air and as it would spin you would

1687
01:20:47,189 --> 01:20:44,460
create this pot this positive charge and

1688
01:20:49,140 --> 01:20:47,199
people were intended to walk through the

1689
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:49,150
building and as they walk through the

1690
01:20:55,140 --> 01:20:51,489
building this charge would then

1691
01:20:57,540 --> 01:20:55,150
rejuvenate their cells so it gets real

1692
01:20:59,400 --> 01:20:57,550
more complicated than that in there and

1693
01:21:01,350 --> 01:20:59,410
they can always go to the integratron

1694
01:21:03,990 --> 01:21:01,360
you know website to find out more

1695
01:21:07,979 --> 01:21:04,000
information and look it up does it is

1696
01:21:09,590 --> 01:21:07,989
very detailed and bent a so again you

1697
01:21:15,650 --> 01:21:09,600
know he got a lot of this information

1698
01:21:18,270 --> 01:21:15,660
from you know the people from Venus well

1699
01:21:20,760 --> 01:21:18,280
what do you think about that and you

1700
01:21:25,620 --> 01:21:20,770
know I mean we know that life on Venus

1701
01:21:28,890 --> 01:21:25,630
who is impossible virtually and you know

1702
01:21:32,670 --> 01:21:28,900
I mean what are your thoughts on that my

1703
01:21:35,850 --> 01:21:32,680
thoughts uh I don't really know in the

1704
01:21:39,180 --> 01:21:35,860
fact that the people from Venus now when

1705
01:21:45,320 --> 01:21:39,190
George describes these beings that he

1706
01:21:49,650 --> 01:21:45,330
did meet I kind of question it because

1707
01:21:52,260 --> 01:21:49,660
it seems that the the people that he

1708
01:21:55,320 --> 01:21:52,270
describes from Venus they were always

1709
01:21:59,900 --> 01:21:55,330
blond hair and blue eyes

1710
01:22:02,400 --> 01:21:59,910
they were very tall very gorgeous and

1711
01:22:06,930 --> 01:22:02,410
you know you would you would think of

1712
01:22:12,770 --> 01:22:06,940
them as beings of love you know

1713
01:22:16,290 --> 01:22:12,780
voluptuous and and in that type of thing

1714
01:22:21,090 --> 01:22:16,300
as for saying that they were coming from

1715
01:22:26,070 --> 01:22:21,100
Venus uh who knows you know there might

1716
01:22:28,830 --> 01:22:26,080
be underground you know places there

1717
01:22:32,660 --> 01:22:28,840
might be things living in Venus that I

1718
01:22:35,850 --> 01:22:32,670
don't know about so again like

1719
01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:35,860
extraterrestrials or UFOs I don't have

1720
01:22:41,040 --> 01:22:38,710
the knowledge or the you know the

1721
01:22:44,100 --> 01:22:41,050
foresight to know what's going on

1722
01:22:48,110 --> 01:22:44,110
another planet so I can't second-guess

1723
01:22:53,670 --> 01:22:48,120
it I just always I'm always leery of

1724
01:22:56,400 --> 01:22:53,680
people or things that project you know

1725
01:22:59,300 --> 01:22:56,410
their visions or their ideas I guess to

1726
01:23:02,730 --> 01:22:59,310
that people who can explain maybe a

1727
01:23:05,580 --> 01:23:02,740
situation they have to relate it to

1728
01:23:08,970 --> 01:23:05,590
something that they can associate so

1729
01:23:12,570 --> 01:23:08,980
maybe George saw something that the only

1730
01:23:16,440 --> 01:23:12,580
way he could explain it was in terms or

1731
01:23:19,470 --> 01:23:16,450
in ways of things that he can associate

1732
01:23:22,880 --> 01:23:19,480
maybe he saw something but all he can

1733
01:23:26,430 --> 01:23:22,890
describe it as a blond-haired blue-eyed

1734
01:23:30,240 --> 01:23:26,440
people you know so that's all I could

1735
01:23:33,210 --> 01:23:30,250
say I don't know yeah there's a Michael

1736
01:23:35,250 --> 01:23:33,220
luck that writes our blogs wrote I I

1737
01:23:38,730 --> 01:23:35,260
hadn't had a chance to look at it but he

1738
01:23:42,150 --> 01:23:38,740
wrote on both George Adamski in Van

1739
01:23:43,860 --> 01:23:42,160
Tassel and um you know I mean these guys

1740
01:23:45,570 --> 01:23:43,870
were out there you know and some of the

1741
01:23:48,740 --> 01:23:45,580
things they said but you know it was

1742
01:23:52,230 --> 01:23:48,750
right after the war world war two and

1743
01:23:55,790 --> 01:23:52,240
you know things were you know people

1744
01:23:59,730 --> 01:23:55,800
were looking in different directions and

1745
01:24:04,230 --> 01:23:59,740
he you know the contact he claims are

1746
01:24:07,290 --> 01:24:04,240
pretty priya fringy but interesting and

1747
01:24:08,820 --> 01:24:07,300
amazing the type of following that these

1748
01:24:11,460 --> 01:24:08,830
people could muster up I mean

1749
01:24:14,400 --> 01:24:11,470
you said what 15,000 people at a time

1750
01:24:19,620 --> 01:24:14,410
would be out there exactly and again

1751
01:24:21,570 --> 01:24:19,630
like I said it was after the war and he

1752
01:24:24,390 --> 01:24:21,580
and he was at seeing that I always

1753
01:24:27,120 --> 01:24:24,400
thought isn't historian you have to you

1754
01:24:31,740 --> 01:24:27,130
have to take a step back because this

1755
01:24:35,010 --> 01:24:31,750
was after the war it was also Van Tassel

1756
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:35,020
was giving people a chance to come he

1757
01:24:41,310 --> 01:24:38,410
might say come out from from a lot of my

1758
01:24:43,620 --> 01:24:41,320
history research many of the people that

1759
01:24:46,320 --> 01:24:43,630
attended these conventions they were

1760
01:24:49,500 --> 01:24:46,330
people who were kind of like left in

1761
01:24:52,980 --> 01:24:49,510
hiding they were people who never had an

1762
01:24:56,340 --> 01:24:52,990
opportunity to even talk about UFOs to

1763
01:24:59,520 --> 01:24:56,350
talk about their experiences or X Files

1764
01:25:01,890 --> 01:24:59,530
or government conspiracies and for the

1765
01:25:04,170 --> 01:25:01,900
first time people are coming out and

1766
01:25:08,070 --> 01:25:04,180
gathering and talking about these things

1767
01:25:10,200 --> 01:25:08,080
in public and it was an interesting

1768
01:25:13,380 --> 01:25:10,210
thing because even in the research files

1769
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:13,390
that we had you know they were under a

1770
01:25:18,450 --> 01:25:16,210
lot of scrutiny and the government you

1771
01:25:20,880 --> 01:25:18,460
know I don't you know as part of the

1772
01:25:23,100 --> 01:25:20,890
whole conspiracy thing you know the

1773
01:25:25,850 --> 01:25:23,110
government had their eyes on this George

1774
01:25:31,290 --> 01:25:25,860
had has an FBI file that's four inches

1775
01:25:33,510 --> 01:25:31,300
deep and you know this was a very very

1776
01:25:35,940 --> 01:25:33,520
interesting time and it was very scary

1777
01:25:38,130 --> 01:25:35,950
for a lot of these people especially out

1778
01:25:41,010 --> 01:25:38,140
here in the desert you gotta figure and

1779
01:25:44,160 --> 01:25:41,020
if you ever see pictures of where this

1780
01:25:45,840 --> 01:25:44,170
this rock is and and how we live and

1781
01:25:48,780 --> 01:25:45,850
whether this is this is out in the

1782
01:25:50,820 --> 01:25:48,790
middle of nowhere so in you also gotta

1783
01:25:53,550 --> 01:25:50,830
look at the fact that this is also at

1784
01:25:56,190 --> 01:25:53,560
the same time Rodwell is coming out and

1785
01:25:58,980 --> 01:25:56,200
so people were just starting to come out

1786
01:26:02,660 --> 01:25:58,990
of their shell and feeling maybe their

1787
01:26:05,780 --> 01:26:02,670
freedom where they can start talking or

1788
01:26:08,760 --> 01:26:05,790
mentioning you know government x-files

1789
01:26:12,210 --> 01:26:08,770
conspiracies and maybe taking steps

1790
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:12,220
against the government so that's what I

1791
01:26:18,840 --> 01:26:15,250
I kind of look at it it I kind of look

1792
01:26:21,810 --> 01:26:18,850
at it as I tell people nowadays it was

1793
01:26:25,270 --> 01:26:21,820
almost like the Burning Man of its time

1794
01:26:28,270 --> 01:26:25,280
in a weird way because is it evolved

1795
01:26:30,880 --> 01:26:28,280
from the fiftieth into the 60s you look

1796
01:26:32,860 --> 01:26:30,890
at the photos and the pictures you

1797
01:26:35,470 --> 01:26:32,870
actually see people you know getting

1798
01:26:37,930 --> 01:26:35,480
more dressed up and it became more artsy

1799
01:26:40,690 --> 01:26:37,940
and they became more like a trekkie

1800
01:26:44,700 --> 01:26:40,700
convict or you know comic-con or

1801
01:26:47,290 --> 01:26:44,710
something like that it did evolve and

1802
01:26:52,630 --> 01:26:47,300
Life magazine has a very good

1803
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:52,640
documentation of it so in 1957 if you

1804
01:26:58,479 --> 01:26:54,890
want to look up in google and google it

1805
01:27:01,630 --> 01:26:58,489
nineteen fifty life magazines have some

1806
01:27:05,380 --> 01:27:01,640
great photographs of giant rock and in

1807
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:05,390
the van tassel they're hot they're yeah

1808
01:27:10,120 --> 01:27:07,730
it's kind of like the bohemian movement

1809
01:27:14,590 --> 01:27:10,130
and you know on the west coast and you

1810
01:27:16,150 --> 01:27:14,600
know people were just looking for like

1811
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:16,160
you said they were looking for something

1812
01:27:23,530 --> 01:27:20,330
after the war and and this is definitely

1813
01:27:26,620 --> 01:27:23,540
fascinating and you know some of the

1814
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:26,630
claims you know George Adamski made our

1815
01:27:31,150 --> 01:27:29,690
way out there and you know you know

1816
01:27:34,060 --> 01:27:31,160
people have called him a con man you

1817
01:27:35,890 --> 01:27:34,070
know I mean I I don't know I you know I

1818
01:27:37,510 --> 01:27:35,900
have nothing to say about that but I

1819
01:27:38,770 --> 01:27:37,520
just want to let people know that if

1820
01:27:41,200 --> 01:27:38,780
you're listening live you can jump in

1821
01:27:43,959 --> 01:27:41,210
the chat room at podcast UFO calm and

1822
01:27:46,709 --> 01:27:43,969
I'm also going to allow Collins if

1823
01:27:56,229 --> 01:27:46,719
anyone wants to call in they can dial

1824
01:28:00,250 --> 01:27:56,239
6039 6740 30 so getting back to other

1825
01:28:02,410 --> 01:28:00,260
contactees have you looked into other

1826
01:28:07,240 --> 01:28:02,420
ones that were involved out there or was

1827
01:28:10,750 --> 01:28:07,250
it just just a small handful but many of

1828
01:28:13,090 --> 01:28:10,760
the contactees are gone now however I

1829
01:28:16,060 --> 01:28:13,100
did get an opportunity of Frank

1830
01:28:21,340 --> 01:28:16,070
strangers when I first moved out here I

1831
01:28:24,850 --> 01:28:21,350
actually tried to start up some of the

1832
01:28:26,860 --> 01:28:24,860
van tassel you know get-togethers and I

1833
01:28:29,350 --> 01:28:26,870
and I would have a mat the integratron

1834
01:28:33,580 --> 01:28:29,360
and they were called retro we called

1835
01:28:35,450 --> 01:28:33,590
them retro UFO and at the towing Frank

1836
01:28:39,920 --> 01:28:35,460
strangers was still alive

1837
01:28:41,959 --> 01:28:39,930
and I was able to have him come to want

1838
01:28:45,050 --> 01:28:41,969
to be actually he came to two of these

1839
01:28:48,380 --> 01:28:45,060
venues that I had and he did some

1840
01:28:51,560 --> 01:28:48,390
speaking there and and then there was

1841
01:28:53,690 --> 01:28:51,570
another man Robert short he was also a

1842
01:28:56,000 --> 01:28:53,700
participant and I've talked to him quite

1843
01:28:58,250 --> 01:28:56,010
a bit about what happened there and bill

1844
01:29:00,700 --> 01:28:58,260
hamilton I don't think he was he wasn't

1845
01:29:04,490 --> 01:29:00,710
party part of the original contactees

1846
01:29:08,300 --> 01:29:04,500
but and I've also been in contact and I

1847
01:29:11,990 --> 01:29:08,310
talked with the Adamski foundation so

1848
01:29:14,959 --> 01:29:12,000
and you know I as a historian I try to

1849
01:29:17,680 --> 01:29:14,969
stay open-minded about a lot of the

1850
01:29:20,630 --> 01:29:17,690
information because like you said

1851
01:29:24,530 --> 01:29:20,640
there's a lot of information and you you

1852
01:29:28,430 --> 01:29:24,540
way at all about you know con man and

1853
01:29:32,000 --> 01:29:28,440
and how people felt towards these people

1854
01:29:34,340 --> 01:29:32,010
that you know came out here and and and

1855
01:29:36,979 --> 01:29:34,350
that's you know to be honest that that

1856
01:29:40,310 --> 01:29:36,989
was one of the biggest aha moments for

1857
01:29:43,640 --> 01:29:40,320
me because when i did move out here I i

1858
01:29:45,560 --> 01:29:43,650
was i was so excited about the

1859
01:29:47,870 --> 01:29:45,570
information that i was finding about

1860
01:29:50,180 --> 01:29:47,880
giant rock and the integratron and I

1861
01:29:52,160 --> 01:29:50,190
thought man this is the most exciting

1862
01:29:55,070 --> 01:29:52,170
information why doesn't everybody

1863
01:29:58,340 --> 01:29:55,080
excited about this this is so great and

1864
01:30:00,709 --> 01:29:58,350
and then you know I thought the local

1865
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:00,719
people would just you know be so happy

1866
01:30:05,959 --> 01:30:03,690
that I was just finding all this but as

1867
01:30:07,940 --> 01:30:05,969
I started doing more and more research

1868
01:30:12,050 --> 01:30:07,950
and I was able to talk to more of the

1869
01:30:15,320 --> 01:30:12,060
local people i found that divide that

1870
01:30:17,990 --> 01:30:15,330
the people that knew him and the the

1871
01:30:21,500 --> 01:30:18,000
local people that had experienced with

1872
01:30:23,780 --> 01:30:21,510
what went on out here and as i did get

1873
01:30:27,440 --> 01:30:23,790
involved with the Historical Society and

1874
01:30:32,090 --> 01:30:27,450
I did oral histories with people I got

1875
01:30:34,040 --> 01:30:32,100
to hear both sides of it and so it gives

1876
01:30:36,890 --> 01:30:34,050
a different perspective to the history

1877
01:30:39,290 --> 01:30:36,900
of what went on out here but in that

1878
01:30:42,670 --> 01:30:39,300
same realm i also got to hear some

1879
01:30:46,490 --> 01:30:42,680
fabulous history and collect some

1880
01:30:49,320 --> 01:30:46,500
amazing pieces of memorabilia about how

1881
01:30:53,220 --> 01:30:49,330
in the 50s and 60s

1882
01:30:57,620 --> 01:30:53,230
how this local area was such a hotbed

1883
01:31:02,670 --> 01:30:57,630
for UFO sightings I got to tell you I

1884
01:31:06,990 --> 01:31:02,680
the the local people in this area of the

1885
01:31:11,580 --> 01:31:07,000
morongo basin UFO sightings were so

1886
01:31:13,920 --> 01:31:11,590
commonplace that the people here would

1887
01:31:17,700 --> 01:31:13,930
actually publish in their local new

1888
01:31:21,930 --> 01:31:17,710
letters and local newspapers they would

1889
01:31:25,170 --> 01:31:21,940
call in their sightings of ufos and they

1890
01:31:28,200 --> 01:31:25,180
were so well documented in and so

1891
01:31:30,810 --> 01:31:28,210
commonplace that that it was just like

1892
01:31:33,330 --> 01:31:30,820
oh he saw that up on the hill today and

1893
01:31:35,970 --> 01:31:33,340
and and they were so descriptive about

1894
01:31:38,910 --> 01:31:35,980
what they saw that that was another part

1895
01:31:42,270 --> 01:31:38,920
of the history here that may be so

1896
01:31:46,620 --> 01:31:42,280
excited to live here because it was just

1897
01:31:48,600 --> 01:31:46,630
it was part of their history and and in

1898
01:31:53,790 --> 01:31:48,610
its part of giant rock and part of the

1899
01:31:58,020 --> 01:31:53,800
integratron and and and its mix and it

1900
01:32:00,780 --> 01:31:58,030
makes sense to me even more now why like

1901
01:32:03,270 --> 01:32:00,790
something like contact in the desert why

1902
01:32:05,850 --> 01:32:03,280
something like that which could be held

1903
01:32:09,960 --> 01:32:05,860
here here in this part of the desert

1904
01:32:13,920 --> 01:32:09,970
because it is such an attraction for for

1905
01:32:15,780 --> 01:32:13,930
that that type of phenomena now there's

1906
01:32:17,820 --> 01:32:15,790
a some questions coming up here and

1907
01:32:20,130 --> 01:32:17,830
there and it's kind of hard to work this

1908
01:32:23,970 --> 01:32:20,140
message board sometime did you move

1909
01:32:28,650 --> 01:32:23,980
there to the giant rock area yourself

1910
01:32:32,430 --> 01:32:28,660
purposely for the any of this I you know

1911
01:32:34,590 --> 01:32:32,440
what I'm going to say I think we my

1912
01:32:38,010 --> 01:32:34,600
husband and I we were coming here so

1913
01:32:40,080 --> 01:32:38,020
often and we had a very successful we

1914
01:32:42,900 --> 01:32:40,090
still have a successful business going

1915
01:32:46,350 --> 01:32:42,910
that we were we were living on the the

1916
01:32:50,220 --> 01:32:46,360
Southern California coast and at the

1917
01:32:52,980 --> 01:32:50,230
time we had a business going and we had

1918
01:32:55,350 --> 01:32:52,990
an office with people in it and we were

1919
01:32:58,980 --> 01:32:55,360
coming out here to the desert so often

1920
01:33:00,330 --> 01:32:58,990
that we invested in a house out here you

1921
01:33:02,859 --> 01:33:00,340
know because we were about ready to take

1922
01:33:07,370 --> 01:33:02,869
stock in the local hotel

1923
01:33:09,260 --> 01:33:07,380
so at one point knowing that this house

1924
01:33:12,620 --> 01:33:09,270
was sitting out here in the desert and

1925
01:33:14,660 --> 01:33:12,630
we were coming so much that one day I

1926
01:33:16,879 --> 01:33:14,670
would just had a meltdown I just said I

1927
01:33:19,459 --> 01:33:16,889
cannot sit on these California freeways

1928
01:33:21,740 --> 01:33:19,469
any longer I'm getting older heat my

1929
01:33:25,280 --> 01:33:21,750
husband was getting older and we just

1930
01:33:26,959 --> 01:33:25,290
decided in 204 that we were coming out

1931
01:33:29,979 --> 01:33:26,969
here to the desert and because of the

1932
01:33:32,330 --> 01:33:29,989
business were in the internet and

1933
01:33:35,689 --> 01:33:32,340
computers were coming into a phase where

1934
01:33:38,990 --> 01:33:35,699
you can we could work on our jobs and do

1935
01:33:41,359 --> 01:33:39,000
things at a distance and to answer your

1936
01:33:44,020 --> 01:33:41,369
question I don't want to say I

1937
01:33:50,750 --> 01:33:44,030
specifically moved here for giant rock

1938
01:33:53,209 --> 01:33:50,760
but in my heart I did and I did and I

1939
01:33:55,339 --> 01:33:53,219
compare myself to you ever see Close

1940
01:33:58,189 --> 01:33:55,349
Encounters of a third time in Richard

1941
01:34:00,530 --> 01:33:58,199
Dreyfuss when he he's sitting there and

1942
01:34:03,439 --> 01:34:00,540
he's building the devil's tower out of

1943
01:34:06,080 --> 01:34:03,449
his mashed potatoes yeah how I feel

1944
01:34:09,169 --> 01:34:06,090
sometimes and you're building the giant

1945
01:34:11,450 --> 01:34:09,179
rug Oh guys the rocketry and no matter

1946
01:34:13,010 --> 01:34:11,460
how I try to get that rock out of my

1947
01:34:14,979 --> 01:34:13,020
system and I go I'm not doing this

1948
01:34:17,410 --> 01:34:14,989
anymore i'm not doing it anymore

1949
01:34:20,750 --> 01:34:17,420
something will happen and i find myself

1950
01:34:23,510 --> 01:34:20,760
being researching something new or

1951
01:34:25,790 --> 01:34:23,520
something new pops up in them and you

1952
01:34:27,979 --> 01:34:25,800
know like if UFO popping in my life in

1953
01:34:31,220 --> 01:34:27,989
March and I'm going why did this happen

1954
01:34:34,040 --> 01:34:31,230
it just dragged me back in so so yeah

1955
01:34:39,430 --> 01:34:34,050
I'm hooked now how far away are you from

1956
01:34:45,830 --> 01:34:39,440
of Joshua Tree I'm from Joshua Tree I'm

1957
01:34:47,180 --> 01:34:45,840
but five miles five miles okay Wow oh so

1958
01:34:49,129 --> 01:34:47,190
that's what you're doing this thing at

1959
01:34:51,229 --> 01:34:49,139
contact in the desert where you're

1960
01:34:55,430 --> 01:34:51,239
bringing people out to giant rock aren't

1961
01:34:58,609 --> 01:34:55,440
you yes I am and we'll go to the joshua

1962
01:35:01,490 --> 01:34:58,619
tree retreat center and that's right it

1963
01:35:05,149 --> 01:35:01,500
just down the road from where i actually

1964
01:35:07,399 --> 01:35:05,159
do live and and then in the evenings

1965
01:35:12,379 --> 01:35:07,409
after being at there a tree people can

1966
01:35:15,180 --> 01:35:12,389
join me and and we'll caravan out to the

1967
01:35:18,780 --> 01:35:15,190
giant rock in the evening

1968
01:35:22,700 --> 01:35:18,790
and sit there at night and be able to

1969
01:35:25,709 --> 01:35:22,710
star watch see things are in the sky and

1970
01:35:28,350 --> 01:35:25,719
you sit there until you know late into

1971
01:35:30,870 --> 01:35:28,360
the evening and then we bring them back

1972
01:35:34,380 --> 01:35:30,880
uh-huh now a question up on the message

1973
01:35:37,439 --> 01:35:34,390
board have you interviewed the children

1974
01:35:40,260 --> 01:35:37,449
of the inventor of the integrity taker

1975
01:35:44,450 --> 01:35:40,270
how do you ever say that anyway oh the

1976
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:44,460
integratron integra taught integra

1977
01:35:51,240 --> 01:35:48,489
integra Tron Tron got it sorry that's

1978
01:35:55,200 --> 01:35:51,250
okay hiccup Tron the Disneyland oh yes

1979
01:35:57,900 --> 01:35:55,210
yeah okay now George Van Tassel was the

1980
01:36:02,850 --> 01:35:57,910
inventor and George Van Tassel died

1981
01:36:06,990 --> 01:36:02,860
before it ever got turned on so it it

1982
01:36:09,810 --> 01:36:07,000
never you know turned on and the

1983
01:36:15,780 --> 01:36:09,820
integratron is now presently owned by

1984
01:36:18,360 --> 01:36:15,790
three sisters and they operate it and

1985
01:36:21,930 --> 01:36:18,370
and what they do there and what their

1986
01:36:24,920 --> 01:36:21,940
brand is is they don't work it like

1987
01:36:28,110 --> 01:36:24,930
George Van Tassel intended it to work

1988
01:36:30,870 --> 01:36:28,120
because Van Tassel had it it was called

1989
01:36:35,040 --> 01:36:30,880
more of an electromagnetic static

1990
01:36:37,590 --> 01:36:35,050
generator it had more of a more of a

1991
01:36:41,250 --> 01:36:37,600
scientific background where it was

1992
01:36:46,050 --> 01:36:41,260
intended maybe to rejuvenate more with

1993
01:36:47,760 --> 01:36:46,060
electricity and and actually it was if

1994
01:36:49,620 --> 01:36:47,770
it was ever really going to turn on

1995
01:36:52,200 --> 01:36:49,630
there are some people that say that it

1996
01:36:55,080 --> 01:36:52,210
could have been a time machine and and

1997
01:36:58,770 --> 01:36:55,090
it has all kinds of science to go behind

1998
01:37:01,020 --> 01:36:58,780
that also that today if you go up on to

1999
01:37:03,390 --> 01:37:01,030
the integratron website you'll see that

2000
01:37:06,810 --> 01:37:03,400
the new owners and the owners that have

2001
01:37:10,500 --> 01:37:06,820
it now they they have they rented out

2002
01:37:12,510 --> 01:37:10,510
and they also do things they're called a

2003
01:37:16,110 --> 01:37:12,520
sound bath and they use crystal bowls

2004
01:37:19,250 --> 01:37:16,120
and they do healing and do things within

2005
01:37:21,030 --> 01:37:19,260
the the grounds of the integratron

2006
01:37:24,689 --> 01:37:21,040
someone wants to know if they'll be

2007
01:37:27,990 --> 01:37:24,699
younger if they go into that thing sit

2008
01:37:28,770 --> 01:37:28,000
fourth well it's all a state of mind you

2009
01:37:30,959 --> 01:37:28,780
know

2010
01:37:33,270 --> 01:37:30,969
well to be honest with you the

2011
01:37:36,419 --> 01:37:33,280
integratron brand and how they like to

2012
01:37:39,180 --> 01:37:36,429
work over there is they really want

2013
01:37:43,649 --> 01:37:39,190
people to have their own experience so

2014
01:37:46,799 --> 01:37:43,659
if you go to the integratron you you go

2015
01:37:49,319 --> 01:37:46,809
with an open mind and you get to

2016
01:37:54,120 --> 01:37:49,329
experience how you want to experience

2017
01:37:56,220 --> 01:37:54,130
the integratron because each person many

2018
01:37:59,310 --> 01:37:56,230
people go there to experience it for

2019
01:38:04,260 --> 01:37:59,320
music there's been people who will go

2020
01:38:07,169 --> 01:38:04,270
there and do recordings people it's a

2021
01:38:10,319 --> 01:38:07,179
fabulous Sound Chamber that's that's

2022
01:38:12,600 --> 01:38:10,329
what it's really been noted for and

2023
01:38:16,370 --> 01:38:12,610
that's why doing crystal bowls in the

2024
01:38:20,279 --> 01:38:16,380
upper chamber will heighten your

2025
01:38:22,439 --> 01:38:20,289
cellular structure or do things people

2026
01:38:25,410 --> 01:38:22,449
who go there for others to get in touch

2027
01:38:28,049 --> 01:38:25,420
with their spiritual self you can do

2028
01:38:31,649 --> 01:38:28,059
that because of being in touch with the

2029
01:38:34,169 --> 01:38:31,659
vortexes and and weird that's it other

2030
01:38:36,419 --> 01:38:34,179
people will go there just to you know

2031
01:38:38,879 --> 01:38:36,429
it's just to get in touch with the

2032
01:38:41,819 --> 01:38:38,889
desert in the surrounding areas it's an

2033
01:38:44,459 --> 01:38:41,829
art you know you know it has many

2034
01:38:47,779 --> 01:38:44,469
outlets so they encourage people to

2035
01:38:50,010 --> 01:38:47,789
experience the integratron in their own

2036
01:38:52,080 --> 01:38:50,020
you know way that they want to

2037
01:38:57,060 --> 01:38:52,090
experience it now why can't this thing

2038
01:39:00,330 --> 01:38:57,070
be turned on who as they say who said

2039
01:39:03,600 --> 01:39:00,340
it's not so it might not be turned on in

2040
01:39:08,850 --> 01:39:03,610
the way that George Van Tassel intended

2041
01:39:13,140 --> 01:39:08,860
it but you know energies energy and the

2042
01:39:16,379 --> 01:39:13,150
way and where it said when we take

2043
01:39:21,240 --> 01:39:16,389
people even out to the desert now you

2044
01:39:24,270 --> 01:39:21,250
people again you feel an energy people

2045
01:39:27,120 --> 01:39:24,280
feel something and you know whether it's

2046
01:39:31,529 --> 01:39:27,130
a something good or something not so

2047
01:39:34,379 --> 01:39:31,539
good or just something neutral you will

2048
01:39:37,680 --> 01:39:34,389
walk away from just feeling a desert

2049
01:39:40,799 --> 01:39:37,690
energy you're going to notice something

2050
01:39:42,480 --> 01:39:40,809
different within yourself all right so

2051
01:39:47,730 --> 01:39:42,490
let's go all the way back to

2052
01:39:51,780 --> 01:39:47,740
whoo whenever the exact date is that Van

2053
01:39:54,780 --> 01:39:51,790
Tassel moves out there and it's in the

2054
01:39:58,260 --> 01:39:54,790
middle of nowhere he finds you know the

2055
01:40:00,330 --> 01:39:58,270
big rock and all that but how did he

2056
01:40:02,940 --> 01:40:00,340
survive out there I mean there can't be

2057
01:40:05,130 --> 01:40:02,950
any place easily to get food or anything

2058
01:40:08,790 --> 01:40:05,140
like that at that time you know maybe

2059
01:40:09,990 --> 01:40:08,800
now it's a little bit different but from

2060
01:40:12,180 --> 01:40:10,000
what I understand it was like in the

2061
01:40:15,930 --> 01:40:12,190
middle of nowhere like you said nothing

2062
01:40:18,150 --> 01:40:15,940
available how did they survive that's a

2063
01:40:21,540 --> 01:40:18,160
good methyl area question because he had

2064
01:40:24,870 --> 01:40:21,550
a wife and three daughters with him and

2065
01:40:27,990 --> 01:40:24,880
also what is out there at the giant rock

2066
01:40:32,070 --> 01:40:28,000
that the previous person who was before

2067
01:40:34,320 --> 01:40:32,080
him at the giant rock he that there was

2068
01:40:36,660 --> 01:40:34,330
a man named Frank right sir and Frank

2069
01:40:38,340 --> 01:40:36,670
right sir was a minor and he has a whole

2070
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:38,350
other story that we don't have time to

2071
01:40:46,350 --> 01:40:42,010
go into the Frank Kreitzer dug under

2072
01:40:49,950 --> 01:40:46,360
giant rock and in he dug a 400 square

2073
01:40:52,380 --> 01:40:49,960
foot area under this 25,000 ton Boulder

2074
01:40:55,890 --> 01:40:52,390
if you can imagine that sounds like a

2075
01:40:57,900 --> 01:40:55,900
death wish to me well event well if he

2076
01:40:59,970 --> 01:40:57,910
knew Frank right sirs story he

2077
01:41:02,330 --> 01:40:59,980
eventually committed suicide and he blew

2078
01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:02,340
himself up so it was a dip with

2079
01:41:09,210 --> 01:41:04,570
eventually he has a very interesting

2080
01:41:11,730 --> 01:41:09,220
story and but Frank right sir and George

2081
01:41:14,880 --> 01:41:11,740
Van Tassel were friends and in after

2082
01:41:16,830 --> 01:41:14,890
Frank suicide front that's when George

2083
01:41:19,170 --> 01:41:16,840
Van Tassel moved his family out there

2084
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:19,180
and another thing that Frank right sir

2085
01:41:24,780 --> 01:41:21,610
did is he built an airstrip out there

2086
01:41:29,100 --> 01:41:24,790
and it was called giant rock you know

2087
01:41:33,600 --> 01:41:29,110
airport so so there was an airport out

2088
01:41:36,480 --> 01:41:33,610
there and then also what George Van

2089
01:41:39,690 --> 01:41:36,490
Tassel also did when he moved out there

2090
01:41:42,420 --> 01:41:39,700
if he built a restaurant can't believe

2091
01:41:44,550 --> 01:41:42,430
this in the middle of nowhere he built a

2092
01:41:46,890 --> 01:41:44,560
restaurant so he could feed himself let

2093
01:41:49,440 --> 01:41:46,900
me get with it was very profitable

2094
01:41:52,080 --> 01:41:49,450
though because one of the one of the

2095
01:41:55,740 --> 01:41:52,090
people who became very interested in

2096
01:41:59,730 --> 01:41:55,750
this whole adventure of

2097
01:42:03,780 --> 01:41:59,740
the integratron and giant rock was how

2098
01:42:06,150 --> 01:42:03,790
are you so Howard Hughes was one of the

2099
01:42:09,660 --> 01:42:06,160
first contributors into the integratron

2100
01:42:12,690 --> 01:42:09,670
and and how are used was famous for

2101
01:42:16,230 --> 01:42:12,700
flying his airplane in to the giant rock

2102
01:42:19,260 --> 01:42:16,240
airport just to get a hammer and to get

2103
01:42:23,400 --> 01:42:19,270
a piece of the apple pie that George's

2104
01:42:27,900 --> 01:42:23,410
wife would serve so this is a really

2105
01:42:32,370 --> 01:42:27,910
interesting historic story isn't it and

2106
01:42:35,010 --> 01:42:32,380
when people were coming to this this you

2107
01:42:37,770 --> 01:42:35,020
know these these conventions out in the

2108
01:42:41,250 --> 01:42:37,780
middle of this desert they would fly

2109
01:42:42,780 --> 01:42:41,260
their airplanes in and not that's how

2110
01:42:45,120 --> 01:42:42,790
they would get this they would fly

2111
01:42:48,990 --> 01:42:45,130
airplanes they would come by their

2112
01:42:51,810 --> 01:42:49,000
campers and they would drive cars and if

2113
01:42:54,630 --> 01:42:51,820
you would see these this place it's

2114
01:42:56,640 --> 01:42:54,640
covered in boulders and and they would

2115
01:42:59,730 --> 01:42:56,650
have these these areas where people

2116
01:43:03,960 --> 01:42:59,740
would just sit over all these boulders

2117
01:43:06,060 --> 01:43:03,970
and these big open desert areas and the

2118
01:43:08,660 --> 01:43:06,070
road there was no there was only a one

2119
01:43:12,260 --> 01:43:08,670
dirt road that led into this area and

2120
01:43:15,780 --> 01:43:12,270
the road would be lined with airplanes

2121
01:43:18,840 --> 01:43:15,790
that's how they got there but as for

2122
01:43:22,560 --> 01:43:18,850
them surviving there they had to drive

2123
01:43:25,670 --> 01:43:22,570
and they had a girl like three miles to

2124
01:43:28,590 --> 01:43:25,680
have water trucked in they had to have a

2125
01:43:31,230 --> 01:43:28,600
container out by the giant rock because

2126
01:43:33,690 --> 01:43:31,240
there was no water there was no air

2127
01:43:36,930 --> 01:43:33,700
conditioning there's no porta-potties

2128
01:43:39,660 --> 01:43:36,940
there was nothing out there and and I

2129
01:43:42,420 --> 01:43:39,670
often as a historian I had an issue with

2130
01:43:45,360 --> 01:43:42,430
that because here you go you have a

2131
01:43:48,090 --> 01:43:45,370
husband you have a wife and three

2132
01:43:52,590 --> 01:43:48,100
daughters and I go gosh if he did that

2133
01:43:55,890 --> 01:43:52,600
to me I would just man how terrible you

2134
01:43:57,990 --> 01:43:55,900
know and and in Georgia's writings he

2135
01:44:01,080 --> 01:43:58,000
would talk about that's why he built the

2136
01:44:04,620 --> 01:44:01,090
restaurant for his wife so it gave her

2137
01:44:06,729 --> 01:44:04,630
something to do and something to and it

2138
01:44:08,379 --> 01:44:06,739
was called to come on in

2139
01:44:11,890 --> 01:44:08,389
and and that's what they named the

2140
01:44:14,589 --> 01:44:11,900
restaurant and so it was for his life to

2141
01:44:17,709 --> 01:44:14,599
you know cook her meals and it was a

2142
01:44:20,399 --> 01:44:17,719
very popular place around here in the

2143
01:44:24,279 --> 01:44:20,409
desert for the little for the locals to

2144
01:44:27,489 --> 01:44:24,289
ride around and stop in and when they

2145
01:44:30,489 --> 01:44:27,499
had when you have 15,000 people coming

2146
01:44:32,560 --> 01:44:30,499
to a you know conference or convention

2147
01:44:35,830 --> 01:44:32,570
in the middle of a desert I can imagine

2148
01:44:39,839 --> 01:44:35,840
it kind of profitable although the first

2149
01:44:43,149 --> 01:44:39,849
the first restaurant only had six seats

2150
01:44:46,500 --> 01:44:43,159
so you know I don't think it held many

2151
01:44:49,390 --> 01:44:46,510
people and eventually they expanded it

2152
01:44:51,729 --> 01:44:49,400
but he was a rough life the daughters

2153
01:44:53,919 --> 01:44:51,739
yeah I can't imagine because the

2154
01:44:56,500 --> 01:44:53,929
daughters himself in order to go to

2155
01:45:01,180 --> 01:44:56,510
school we had three daughters and they

2156
01:45:04,359 --> 01:45:01,190
would have to go almost five miles to

2157
01:45:06,729 --> 01:45:04,369
the nearest road just to catch a bus to

2158
01:45:10,419 --> 01:45:06,739
get on a bus that would take them

2159
01:45:14,410 --> 01:45:10,429
another 45 minutes to get to the nearest

2160
01:45:19,149 --> 01:45:14,420
school every day well so that would be

2161
01:45:21,399 --> 01:45:19,159
their life and I pick thought hang on

2162
01:45:24,489 --> 01:45:21,409
just a second hang on just a second we

2163
01:45:26,979 --> 01:45:24,499
have a call in here welcome caller would

2164
01:45:29,799 --> 01:45:26,989
you like to ask what your name would you

2165
01:45:31,959 --> 01:45:29,809
like to ask a question my name is Ray

2166
01:45:36,700 --> 01:45:31,969
Stanford and I was there I knew van

2167
01:45:38,529 --> 01:45:36,710
tassel oh hey right yep am I talking to

2168
01:45:42,310 --> 01:45:38,539
Martin oh yeah how are you good good to

2169
01:45:44,529 --> 01:45:42,320
have you on yeah well I I had I'd heard

2170
01:45:46,089 --> 01:45:44,539
enough I think I'll deceptive record

2171
01:45:49,359 --> 01:45:46,099
straight about what was really going on

2172
01:45:54,220 --> 01:45:49,369
now advantage place yeah go ahead go

2173
01:45:58,239 --> 01:45:54,230
ahead okay let me say that starting back

2174
01:46:01,239 --> 01:45:58,249
in the nineteen fifty-three October well

2175
01:46:03,609 --> 01:46:01,249
own in 254 I corresponding with George

2176
01:46:06,040 --> 01:46:03,619
Adamski he had links by as a high school

2177
01:46:10,239 --> 01:46:06,050
student and I got to anointment and

2178
01:46:12,339 --> 01:46:10,249
fully believed him until in the late 50s

2179
01:46:15,009 --> 01:46:12,349
he took compassion upon my twin brother

2180
01:46:16,959 --> 01:46:15,019
and I who were out there and one morning

2181
01:46:19,029 --> 01:46:16,969
after he I guess I've loosened up with

2182
01:46:19,850 --> 01:46:19,039
quite a few eggnogs as they called them

2183
01:46:23,090 --> 01:46:19,860
knocks

2184
01:46:24,950 --> 01:46:23,100
polish accent he he told us that he

2185
01:46:27,020 --> 01:46:24,960
never had to meet any physical space

2186
01:46:28,520 --> 01:46:27,030
people but he had picked this all up he

2187
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:28,530
didn't use the word psycho he said by

2188
01:46:34,910 --> 01:46:31,050
unified state of consciousness so does

2189
01:46:36,530 --> 01:46:34,920
this book pioneers of space in which he

2190
01:46:39,169 --> 01:46:36,540
wrote the same things he claims it

2191
01:46:41,450 --> 01:46:39,179
happened to him later in inside the

2192
01:46:44,120 --> 01:46:41,460
spaceships and he'd written this way

2193
01:46:47,090 --> 01:46:44,130
back in aggregate letters in the 40s or

2194
01:46:48,620 --> 01:46:47,100
the 30s and he said frankly that he did

2195
01:46:49,910 --> 01:46:48,630
all this for money and that he wouldn't

2196
01:46:52,100 --> 01:46:49,920
have had to get into all this saucer

2197
01:46:55,790 --> 01:46:52,110
craft and that was his exact words and

2198
01:46:57,979 --> 01:46:55,800
this was money now danske took us down

2199
01:47:01,879 --> 01:46:57,989
into what he said was his workshop and

2200
01:47:04,040 --> 01:47:01,889
this was a little room adjacent to the

2201
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:04,050
the high-waist night growing up to Mount

2202
01:47:11,000 --> 01:47:05,850
Palomar of his place there a couple of

2203
01:47:15,250 --> 01:47:11,010
Gordon's and opened the door and here in

2204
01:47:19,490 --> 01:47:15,260
the room on little tiny strings were

2205
01:47:21,350 --> 01:47:19,500
going steak little ufos which he had

2206
01:47:23,930 --> 01:47:21,360
used in his faking of his mothership

2207
01:47:27,459 --> 01:47:23,940
photographs and they all kind of curved

2208
01:47:30,649 --> 01:47:27,469
over falling down from back behind black

2209
01:47:32,030 --> 01:47:30,659
image of the mothership was there in the

2210
01:47:34,609 --> 01:47:32,040
background where he had faked these

2211
01:47:36,919 --> 01:47:34,619
pictures and I think he had just taken

2212
01:47:38,689 --> 01:47:36,929
compassion on my brother me and decided

2213
01:47:41,390 --> 01:47:38,699
to young people shouldn't waste their

2214
01:47:45,200 --> 01:47:41,400
lives following his ms that he had done

2215
01:47:47,560 --> 01:47:45,210
for financial reasons and I have to tell

2216
01:47:50,060 --> 01:47:47,570
you I did criminal your cookies here

2217
01:47:52,189 --> 01:47:50,070
anybody who believes in Van Tassel but

2218
01:47:54,439 --> 01:47:52,199
George Van Tassel claimed that he met

2219
01:47:57,590 --> 01:47:54,449
slow gan de on the desert and that he

2220
01:47:59,750 --> 01:47:57,600
was a Volusion well he describes the

2221
01:48:05,390 --> 01:47:59,760
craft and he says came down and it was

2222
01:48:07,790 --> 01:48:05,400
the the fake starship that dodge dodge

2223
01:48:11,930 --> 01:48:07,800
advance get photographs I have my old

2224
01:48:13,550 --> 01:48:11,940
computer I will computer my hard drive

2225
01:48:16,280 --> 01:48:13,560
back there like to have a photograph of

2226
01:48:18,109 --> 01:48:16,290
this model that he used with one side of

2227
01:48:20,270 --> 01:48:18,119
it been in it was not real there's not

2228
01:48:23,419 --> 01:48:20,280
an engine spaceship and drug vans

2229
01:48:25,990 --> 01:48:23,429
absolutist plane believing knowing their

2230
01:48:28,609 --> 01:48:26,000
danske was popular he made that story up

2231
01:48:30,740 --> 01:48:28,619
clanking metal garden and he claimed the

2232
01:48:33,230 --> 01:48:30,750
soul ganda gave him basically the secret

2233
01:48:35,660 --> 01:48:33,240
of the integratron and you know

2234
01:48:38,090 --> 01:48:35,670
us he said the great mathematical secret

2235
01:48:41,120 --> 01:48:38,100
was f equals 1 over t f equals force

2236
01:48:43,940 --> 01:48:41,130
dinging first time that is totally

2237
01:48:47,630 --> 01:48:43,950
nonsensical useless and ridiculous has

2238
01:48:50,870 --> 01:48:47,640
nothing to do with his it's pure fantasy

2239
01:48:53,570 --> 01:48:50,880
and imagination now the statement has

2240
01:48:54,920 --> 01:48:53,580
been made tonight that 15,000 people out

2241
01:48:58,190 --> 01:48:54,930
of these contents well that's pure

2242
01:49:00,230 --> 01:48:58,200
balloon to Bologna there were not I was

2243
01:49:03,790 --> 01:49:00,240
there three different years and I spoke

2244
01:49:06,350 --> 01:49:03,800
there one time and there were about

2245
01:49:08,510 --> 01:49:06,360
maximum if we reduce that by a factor of

2246
01:49:10,580 --> 01:49:08,520
10 there were a maximum of fifteen

2247
01:49:12,290 --> 01:49:10,590
hundred people out there now to call

2248
01:49:15,080 --> 01:49:12,300
this an airport is utterly ridiculous

2249
01:49:17,420 --> 01:49:15,090
there was he called a giant rock airport

2250
01:49:20,240 --> 01:49:17,430
and he called the little cafe which was

2251
01:49:22,940 --> 01:49:20,250
a tiny little thing that come on in I NN

2252
01:49:24,740 --> 01:49:22,950
and he had pictured these fake

2253
01:49:27,710 --> 01:49:24,750
mothership photographs oh damn he's up

2254
01:49:31,430 --> 01:49:27,720
all the walls of the little come on in

2255
01:49:32,930 --> 01:49:31,440
but by golly I i was at those

2256
01:49:35,270 --> 01:49:32,940
conferences and i spoke at one of them

2257
01:49:37,730 --> 01:49:35,280
and they're absolutely were not that

2258
01:49:40,130 --> 01:49:37,740
many people the landing strip was only

2259
01:49:43,010 --> 01:49:40,140
that it was just a cleared place in the

2260
01:49:45,410 --> 01:49:43,020
desert wasn't paved there was no control

2261
01:49:47,420 --> 01:49:45,420
tower there were no landing beacons

2262
01:49:49,430 --> 01:49:47,430
there was nothing electronic there no

2263
01:49:51,080 --> 01:49:49,440
radio to communicate with aircraft or

2264
01:49:53,330 --> 01:49:51,090
anything people just came in i flew them

2265
01:49:56,600 --> 01:49:53,340
there one time with Robert seat back and

2266
01:49:58,670 --> 01:49:56,610
his private plane my brother I and he

2267
01:50:02,960 --> 01:49:58,680
command there no authority could say I

2268
01:50:05,150 --> 01:50:02,970
listened recently to a recording for TV

2269
01:50:07,280 --> 01:50:05,160
with Van Tassel made into the

2270
01:50:08,660 --> 01:50:07,290
interviewer asked him well how did he

2271
01:50:10,400 --> 01:50:08,670
make any money out there and he said all

2272
01:50:13,490 --> 01:50:10,410
those people paying me to come in and

2273
01:50:16,880 --> 01:50:13,500
and use the airport that's not true

2274
01:50:19,280 --> 01:50:16,890
that's not true at all the I believe

2275
01:50:21,170 --> 01:50:19,290
that the integratron would never have

2276
01:50:23,780 --> 01:50:21,180
functioned in the first place yes it was

2277
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:23,790
wood and he made all kind of claims

2278
01:50:30,470 --> 01:50:27,210
using this this fake formula and by

2279
01:50:32,300 --> 01:50:30,480
golly it's a good thing you died because

2280
01:50:35,420 --> 01:50:32,310
he would have been totally embarrassed

2281
01:50:38,660 --> 01:50:35,430
because it simply would not function it

2282
01:50:40,670 --> 01:50:38,670
was not based on anything any scientific

2283
01:50:42,680 --> 01:50:40,680
principle anything else it kept on

2284
01:50:46,640 --> 01:50:42,690
bringing in money and contributions by

2285
01:50:49,149 --> 01:50:46,650
believers and he kept them council going

2286
01:50:52,100 --> 01:50:49,159
but i believe the thing was basically a

2287
01:50:54,890 --> 01:50:52,110
part of a fantasy of Van Tassel and

2288
01:50:57,470 --> 01:50:54,900
partly I think a tendency to just plain

2289
01:51:00,380 --> 01:50:57,480
old them use it to bring in money I

2290
01:51:01,430 --> 01:51:00,390
can't prove that but let me say that no

2291
01:51:02,930 --> 01:51:01,440
one has ever showed that there's

2292
01:51:07,100 --> 01:51:02,940
anything in that billing that would work

2293
01:51:09,500 --> 01:51:07,110
and I just had heard so much hype

2294
01:51:12,770 --> 01:51:09,510
tonight about this man and his story and

2295
01:51:16,880 --> 01:51:12,780
i can tell you i can swear to it that

2296
01:51:18,860 --> 01:51:16,890
his fiction he he never met oh he also

2297
01:51:20,330 --> 01:51:18,870
gave the dimensions of this recording

2298
01:51:23,530 --> 01:51:20,340
and he had published these I had all of

2299
01:51:25,640 --> 01:51:23,540
his publications the Proceedings of

2300
01:51:27,950 --> 01:51:25,650
universal wisdom and all this had

2301
01:51:30,140 --> 01:51:27,960
everything we ever published but the

2302
01:51:31,729 --> 01:51:30,150
vent hustle said that the thing that

2303
01:51:34,790 --> 01:51:31,739
landed out there they came down and

2304
01:51:36,680 --> 01:51:34,800
hover just above ground rather was he

2305
01:51:39,200 --> 01:51:36,690
described exactly Georgia dance keys

2306
01:51:43,070 --> 01:51:39,210
little fake model spaceship that he had

2307
01:51:46,250 --> 01:51:43,080
photographed and he said it was 36 feet

2308
01:51:50,090 --> 01:51:46,260
diameter I believe got 18 feet high and

2309
01:51:52,040 --> 01:51:50,100
he said that he was taken up in the

2310
01:51:54,680 --> 01:51:52,050
middle of it was so gone to following

2311
01:51:56,600 --> 01:51:54,690
him and when he gave those dimensions

2312
01:51:58,700 --> 01:51:56,610
and he described so down to he's

2313
01:52:01,490 --> 01:51:58,710
describing the soul ganda is five feet

2314
01:52:05,660 --> 01:52:01,500
six inches tall and with this long

2315
01:52:09,110 --> 01:52:05,670
blonde hair and exactly as Jordan and

2316
01:52:11,990 --> 01:52:09,120
she described the alleged Venusian that

2317
01:52:13,580 --> 01:52:12,000
he claimed he met on the desert and I

2318
01:52:15,169 --> 01:52:13,590
want to say that I also knew the

2319
01:52:17,720 --> 01:52:15,179
Georgetown Williams and recordings and

2320
01:52:20,330 --> 01:52:17,730
personally and he told me that they

2321
01:52:21,700 --> 01:52:20,340
never saw any man out there on the

2322
01:52:23,959 --> 01:52:21,710
desert talking to George Adamski

2323
01:52:26,300 --> 01:52:23,969
contrary to what was claimed in the book

2324
01:52:28,370 --> 01:52:26,310
flying saucers have landed so if anybody

2325
01:52:30,800 --> 01:52:28,380
wants to believe George Van Tassel and

2326
01:52:32,750 --> 01:52:30,810
his claim that he met the guy that Judge

2327
01:52:35,649 --> 01:52:32,760
advanced he met they better rewrite

2328
01:52:38,330 --> 01:52:35,659
their own book because it never ever

2329
01:52:41,060 --> 01:52:38,340
happened and George it as he confessed

2330
01:52:43,939 --> 01:52:41,070
all of this to my brother me and said it

2331
01:52:46,130 --> 01:52:43,949
was for money cooney party tonight can I

2332
01:52:49,220 --> 01:52:46,140
make something very clear now am i able

2333
01:52:50,870 --> 01:52:49,230
to talk are you over your head available

2334
01:52:54,950 --> 01:52:50,880
you've been talking about that exploit

2335
01:52:59,470 --> 01:52:54,960
okay okay well okay I'm going to can I

2336
01:53:01,410 --> 01:52:59,480
find a historian I'm not a UF ologist

2337
01:53:04,900 --> 01:53:01,420
and the one thing I do want to

2338
01:53:08,410 --> 01:53:04,910
compliment you on is the fact that you

2339
01:53:12,790 --> 01:53:08,420
have a lot of facts and that is that is

2340
01:53:14,920 --> 01:53:12,800
wonderful and in I'm going to back up

2341
01:53:19,270 --> 01:53:14,930
your facts I'm going to say that you are

2342
01:53:22,780 --> 01:53:19,280
very correct in your what you're saying

2343
01:53:25,660 --> 01:53:22,790
because in much of my research those are

2344
01:53:29,620 --> 01:53:25,670
the same facts that I've come across for

2345
01:53:33,310 --> 01:53:29,630
the purposes of radio and things I I

2346
01:53:37,600 --> 01:53:33,320
offer information that people have I

2347
01:53:39,340 --> 01:53:37,610
answer questions and and to get into all

2348
01:53:41,620 --> 01:53:39,350
the facts that you've just come into

2349
01:53:44,950 --> 01:53:41,630
those are not the questions I've been

2350
01:53:49,990 --> 01:53:44,960
asked so the the other thing that I

2351
01:53:52,330 --> 01:53:50,000
would share with you is that adamski the

2352
01:53:54,850 --> 01:53:52,340
as a historian the one thing that did

2353
01:53:57,340 --> 01:53:54,860
happen that George Adamski came to the

2354
01:54:00,280 --> 01:53:57,350
the very first UFO conference with

2355
01:54:02,260 --> 01:54:00,290
George Van Tassel in Georgia and tesco

2356
01:54:04,420 --> 01:54:02,270
and George wit and George Adamski did

2357
01:54:05,950 --> 01:54:04,430
not get along at all just to let you

2358
01:54:09,130 --> 01:54:05,960
know I'm sorry to interrupt you but we

2359
01:54:11,410 --> 01:54:09,140
only have about a minute and so ray

2360
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:11,420
you're not going to be able to have yeah

2361
01:54:17,860 --> 01:54:12,770
we have about a minute left right now

2362
01:54:19,780 --> 01:54:17,870
okay so but I will agree and and I you

2363
01:54:22,680 --> 01:54:19,790
agree and I and I encourage people to

2364
01:54:26,020 --> 01:54:22,690
look at the whole story and to and to

2365
01:54:27,940 --> 01:54:26,030
hear both sides of the story and if he

2366
01:54:29,830 --> 01:54:27,950
would have heard my my talk in the very

2367
01:54:32,350 --> 01:54:29,840
beginning he would have heard me to say

2368
01:54:35,020 --> 01:54:32,360
that you know I encourage and I want

2369
01:54:36,850 --> 01:54:35,030
people to know both sides and and i also

2370
01:54:39,370 --> 01:54:36,860
want to reference that the people that

2371
01:54:41,979 --> 01:54:39,380
lived here gave two sides to the story

2372
01:54:43,300 --> 01:54:41,989
they're appreciated by the way I did

2373
01:54:45,190 --> 01:54:43,310
listen to you from the start of your

2374
01:54:47,470 --> 01:54:45,200
interview I've heard all of it and

2375
01:54:49,750 --> 01:54:47,480
appreciate what you said yeah there are

2376
01:54:52,210 --> 01:54:49,760
people that absolutely supported George

2377
01:54:54,850 --> 01:54:52,220
Van Tassel in what he is doing and then

2378
01:54:57,760 --> 01:54:54,860
our people that did not and and I don't

2379
01:55:02,500 --> 01:54:57,770
come off on either side of of the fence

2380
01:55:04,930 --> 01:55:02,510
I as a historian I relate facts and and

2381
01:55:07,900 --> 01:55:04,940
I will always and I will always state

2382
01:55:09,520 --> 01:55:07,910
facts and stories and I will let the

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public and i will let people make up

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their own minds and their choices of

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what they want to believe

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with regards to how UFOs I you have many

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many documentation of the morongo basin

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in this particular area in how UFO

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sightings were documented in how the

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people of this particular area observed

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in and noted and we're excited about

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their their history of this area and how

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they viewed it so and you know that's an

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eye and I'm very grateful and I welcome

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your time thank you for even bringing

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that up okay I'm sorry we're going to

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have to cut this short and thank you

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thank you Ray for calling us and thank

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you very much also Barbara so want to

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thank a couple people for helping out

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with the show first our guest this

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evening and also Peggy shunning for

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managing our Facebook page and we're

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going to be here next week with Leslie

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Kane and Jose la from Chile and that's

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our show for next week on The Dark

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Matter radio network thanks everyone for